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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I got another lefty dream case for you-physician who refuses to write a script for abortifacients to straight people but will to gay couples.

    How would you guys handle that one?
    Still illegal discrimination. Doesn't matter my position on abortion either. The physician cannot refuse to do something for one person that they are willing to do for another.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps the best case would be a gay atheist who is anti-gay marriage, trolling those bakeries. He could easily record himself saying hes a gay atheist and he wants an anti-gay marriage cake for a wedding. See how easy this is?

    And no-douche-bag isn't a protected classification-and I have a problem with protected classes in general (outside of medical conditions and children).

    My problem here is not with gay marriage-I actually support that-my problem is with a stunning double standard, use of the govt to coerce non-protected class private businesses and citizens, and the invasive nature of the left in what should be a personal transaction between private citizens.
    And if the person doing this was a "gay atheist", he/she would still be wrong and still be a douchebag. The cases would still not be similar so long as they were refusing based on the request and not the person making the request.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Nope. Generally, discrimination is justified if you can show a rational basis for it. "I don't sell beer or cigarettes to minors" is discrimination, but the reasoning is based on sound information that such things are worse for minors than for adults, can be much more harmful to them. "I refuse to allow anyone without a shirt to enter my store" is discrimination against those who don't want to or simply aren't wearing a shirt. It is justified though for several reasons. Someone might try to steal a shirt if the store sells them, pretending he was wearing one all the time. Or they might get sick due to the temperature inside the building and try to sue the owner for making them sick because they refused to wear a shirt. The owner could view it as a sanitation issue, since it is possible that a woman especially might be lactating (technically it is possible for a man to lactate as well, under certain circumstances). Being shirtless could allow for the lactation to drip on the floor and cause a slip hazard or simply end up somewhere in the store where someone else "touch" it by accident, spreading germs (milk, even breast milk, does not do well outside the body). "I do not sell pork products" is discrimination. Justified in that pretty much every business can decide what products they sell, just not that they won't sell them to certain types of people protected by laws.
    Sorry, but we're talking about discrimination based on ideology. So discrimination against Indiana based on ideology is no different than discrimination by Christian bakers against homosexual marriage. Both are discrimination based on ideology. Both should be legal. But our liberal friends think their form of discrimination is good while that of others is wrong

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Nothing to think about. When one is intolerant of intolerance, the objection is to someone who holds a different perspective. That's not only intolerance, it's bigotry.
    So, for example, if someone is intolerant of a KKK member's action - it's that person who is the bigot - and not the KKK member.

    OOoooooookay.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Sorry, but they were long time customers which means their sexual preferences were not an issue. It was the event that was an issue
    No, it was the fact that the couple was getting married, which is not about the event itself, but the couple involved in the event. Just as if the bakers had refused an interracial couple, claiming "I don't bake interracial marriage cakes".
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Still illegal discrimination. Doesn't matter my position on abortion either. The physician cannot refuse to do something for one person that they are willing to do for another.
    Thats simply untrue.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not at all. It is a crime to kill someone, and in fact, a person who knows that another is going to use a product to "kill" someone is absolutely justified in not only not selling them that product, but also calling the cops.

    Getting married to someone of the same sex is not illegal. It isn't even illegal in those places that don't allow same sex couples to marry yet. Having or even eating a cake at a wedding for a same sex couple is not illegal either.
    And both are based on discrimination based on the intended use of the product, not the person

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    That's why dozens of GOP-supporting corporations, including now NASCAR and WAL-MART, disagree with you .

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Which is one of the shortcomings of the left-they believe they alone are the arbiters of tolerance, and since they are such strong defenders, nothing they do is wrong because the ends justify the means.
    You're Welcome .

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    So, for example, if someone is intolerant of a KKK member's action - it's that person who is the bigot - and not the KKK member.

    OOoooooookay.

    It remains intolerance

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