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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    It's hard to believe, but these Neanderthals actually believe that. No right is more sacred to them than property rights.
    They are dying out, and the evangelical base is getting smaller and smaller due to natural attrition. Only the irrational haters are left, and they are being drowned out more and more every day.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Like I said....it is similar to saying that blacks can watch the movie...but they gotta sit in the balacony. The theater owner isn't refusing them service....right?

    "You can eat in my restaurant, but you have to sit out back on the porch and you can only order the soup...the rest of the menu is for whites-only".
    No, it would be more like selling a hunting knife to a black person one week but refusing to sell him one another week if he said he was going to use it to kill someone

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    The logic is: Being intolerant of intolerance is the ultimate act of tolerance.
    Which is one of the shortcomings of the left-they believe they alone are the arbiters of tolerance, and since they are such strong defenders, nothing they do is wrong because the ends justify the means.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Being intolerant of intolerance is the ultimate act of intolerance
    You think on that for a little bit, K?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    I see. If it's discrimination that supports one person's agenda, it's good, but when it goes against that person's agenda, it's bad. You gotta love that logic
    Nope. Generally, discrimination is justified if you can show a rational basis for it. "I don't sell beer or cigarettes to minors" is discrimination, but the reasoning is based on sound information that such things are worse for minors than for adults, can be much more harmful to them. "I refuse to allow anyone without a shirt to enter my store" is discrimination against those who don't want to or simply aren't wearing a shirt. It is justified though for several reasons. Someone might try to steal a shirt if the store sells them, pretending he was wearing one all the time. Or they might get sick due to the temperature inside the building and try to sue the owner for making them sick because they refused to wear a shirt. The owner could view it as a sanitation issue, since it is possible that a woman especially might be lactating (technically it is possible for a man to lactate as well, under certain circumstances). Being shirtless could allow for the lactation to drip on the floor and cause a slip hazard or simply end up somewhere in the store where someone else "touch" it by accident, spreading germs (milk, even breast milk, does not do well outside the body). "I do not sell pork products" is discrimination. Justified in that pretty much every business can decide what products they sell, just not that they won't sell them to certain types of people protected by laws.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Which is one of the shortcomings of the left-they believe they alone are the arbiters of tolerance, and since they are such strong defenders, nothing they do is wrong because the ends justify the means.
    That's the fact. Tolerance, like right and wrong, is relative

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What are my bigoted views about religion? I believe strongly that everyone should have the right to practice any religion that they choose to...however you cannot use your religion as a shield to get around the laws of the country. Sorry...but claiming "religion" does not give you carte blanche to write your own rules. It doesn't work that way.
    And this bill doesn't do anything like that. But it does help to protect already given freedoms in the First Amendment. Folks can still sue them if they think they are being discriminated against but it will level the field so one's rights doesn't trump another. At least that is the way I read it.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are not calling anyone out. But someone could still choose to refuse to write either or both of those words on a cake for you if they don't want to do it. So long as they would refuse to write those things on a cake for any other customer.
    I got another lefty dream case for you-physician who refuses to write a script for abortifacients to straight people but will to gay couples.

    How would you guys handle that one?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    You think on that for a little bit, K?
    Nothing to think about. When one is intolerant of intolerance, the objection is to someone who holds a different perspective. That's not only intolerance, it's bigotry.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    No, it would be more like selling a hunting knife to a black person one week but refusing to sell him one another week if he said he was going to use it to kill someone
    Not at all. It is a crime to kill someone, and in fact, a person who knows that another is going to use a product to "kill" someone is absolutely justified in not only not selling them that product, but also calling the cops.

    Getting married to someone of the same sex is not illegal. It isn't even illegal in those places that don't allow same sex couples to marry yet. Having or even eating a cake at a wedding for a same sex couple is not illegal either.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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