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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Oh brother.

    That's a pretty stupid post.

    Let me guess, you read that dumb pjmedia piece.
    I don't know what a pjmedia is, but it doesn't change the fact that calls for boycotts are discrimination

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you talking about the real cases, at least two in different states, where the same sex couples went to really buy a cake for their same sex marriage/celebration of their marriage, and were denied service once the bakers found out they were a same sex couple wanting a wedding cake?

    Oregon ruling really takes the cake -- Christian bakery guilty of violating civil rights of lesbian couple | Fox News

    Masterpiece Cakeshop, Colorado Bakery, Agrees To 'Dog Wedding' Cake Despite Turning Away Gays

    No one was being "set up" here. They didn't have to be. The owners openly admitted that not only did they deny service to these couples, at least one of them, if not both, have denied service to same sex couples prior to these incidents. One of the shops closed its storefront business, and now works from home, taking orders online. The other claims to not sell wedding cakes anymore, but still advertises that he does on his website. And there are many comments on Yelp that show that he did in fact discriminate against other couples before this one stood up for themselves and reported him/sued him.
    No, I was not aware that this was happening. I just haven't been following this, because I believe everyone has the right to marry or otherwise be happy with anyone they wish, since it's really none of my business in the first place. As long as they are good neighbors, what possible difference could it make to anyone who they marry? It's their life.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not the "race card". Why do you think its ok for the white restaurant owner to refuse to serve blacks because he thinks they are "icky".

    What you are failing to recognize is that bigotry in the name of religion is still bigotry. You can't use your religion as a shield to have free reign to discriminate against people you don't like. It didn't work for the white bigots in the 50's and 60's and it won't work for the right-wingnuts in 2015. This country recognizes everyone's right to practice their religion. However, that does not mean that you can manipulate your religion to write your own rules about who you want to discriminate against and who you don't.
    And you can't use your bigoted views against religion to violate another man's rights over another. Either we all have rights or we have none.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is legal discrimination, and even "justified" discrimination, and then there is illegal discrimination and/or unjustified discrimination.
    I see. If it's discrimination that supports one person's agenda, it's good, but when it goes against that person's agenda, it's bad. You gotta love that logic

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The bakeries, which were targeted because the owners and/or majority of the staff is gay, felt it was hateful. Saying "gay marriage is wrong" can easily be seen as hateful, especially if it is being placed on a cake that is being eaten at a "pro-traditional marriage" event/celebration.

    And who cares if Obama once held that view. Do you think that all same sex marriage/gay rights supporters love Obama and completely support him, voted for him in the Presidential elections simply because he currently supports same sex marriage?
    If I say unsafe sex or drunk driving is wrong, am I being hateful? What you are saying is that you dont want to be offended, and that if theres any chance it can be offensive it should be labeled as hateful. Sorry, Ive seen plenty of lefty protests that had the specific intent of being offensive.

    Im not religious, but there are now day spa's that provide abortions-and I find that abhorrent. Since thats the case, you clearly must be against it.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Your link does nothing to support your claim. Try again. Try a little harder next time.

    On a side note: I worked at the ACLU of Utah while I was in law school back in 1988-91. While I was there we were involved in a number of battles. Some involved over-crowded prison conditions, others involved civil rights issues...but one particular involved the right of an after-school student bible study group to have access to the school. We at the ACLU fought it and won. People often love to bitch and whine about the ACLU and often don't have a clue about many of the cases the ACLU has fought.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    I see. If it's discrimination that supports one person's agenda, it's good, but when it goes against that person's agenda, it's bad. You gotta love that logic
    The logic is: Being intolerant of intolerance is the ultimate act of tolerance.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Some people just hung up or said no. He could easily make another video to jump through your hoops and a similar outcome would be found.

    Perhaps there's an atheist out there trolling gay bakeries right now saying he wants a wedding cake that says gay marriage is wrong. He didn't choose to be straight, so it will no doubt be a travesty of justice that you will line up behind-you know, to be consistent.
    And they are free to do that, especially since he really didn't give them any information about what his religion, race, sex, sexuality (there are gay people who oppose same sex marriage), nationality, or other protected classification would be. He could assume that they assumed one of these things, but then he would still have to have some sort of evidence. The most he would have is "well I told them I wanted this cake with these words on it, then they hung up". I'm sure any court case would be easily thrown out after viewing that tape and seeing that the man was setting them up and that he wasn't even being denied service for a protected class. "Douchebag" isn't a protected classification.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh puh-lease....at least get your facts straight. In the Colorado bakery case, the men had been long-time customers of the store. They didn't seek the store out as a target to sue. They assumed that as long-time customers they would be treated with the same respect that the baker gave to all their customers. They were shocked when the bigot refused to make the cake for them. They weren't asking for anything offensive to be placed on the cake....just the same cake that they offered to the public.

    In essence...the baker was akin to the white restaurant owner: You can have the soup and sit in the back...but you can't order the things off the menu that I only serve to whites.
    Interesting. that means the discrimination was not based on the sexual reference but rather the event. Thanks for pointing that out

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    I see. If it's discrimination that supports one person's agenda, it's good, but when it goes against that person's agenda, it's bad. You gotta love that logic
    That appears to be the argument.
    Here in California several years ago after prop 8 was passed (prohibiting gay marriage-turns out ethnic minorities weren't for it) there were cases of gays actually targeting minorities for violence. It got almost no media coverage, and was quickly forgotten. I didn't forget.

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