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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's been pretty much proven that those who went after people who do not perform services in their professions in the wedding industry were being targeted by gay marriage activists. And they are just fine with forcing someone to make them a cake or haul them to court. Between these escapades of gay marriage activists hauling photographers/bakers/florists/ caterers into court for refusing to do said services due to religious convictions, state laws on religious freedom had to better protect those people of faith. It wasn't just the wedding industry but how this administration passed a law that discriminated against charities and businesses over certain things that violated their beliefs in Obamacare.

    The guy in the video targeted gay bakers asking for an anti-gay cake and recorded their responses on a video. He did not file charges against any of the gay bakers for discrimination but he sure revealed the hypocrisy.

    Guess all the hoopla over Pence's bill didn't stop Arkansas from passing one almost identical today.
    Thats what the left does-they shop for targets to sue.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I believe 3 out of all the bakeries he spoke with offered to bake a cake but not decorate it with the words "Gay Marriage is Wrong". They just outright refused and found it offensive. But you seem to miss the irony completely. The one asking for the cake doesn't see the phrase "Gay Marriage is Wrong" to be offensive as it is part of his religious beliefs that traditional marriage is holy matrimony and some faiths believe it to be one of the sacraments. He was denied a service over his religious beliefs. Yet a person whose moral conscience doesn't want to do gay wedding cakes is forced to under fear of jail, fines etc.

    While surfing the web today, I discovered there are lawsuits against gay bakers who refused to provide a cake that did not support gay marriage.

    One such case was an order for an open Bible with this symbol placed on the cake.



    The gay baker refused to do it. Now there are cases in our court system of gay bakers being sued for denying a cake with a Scripture pertaining to sexual sin or symbolism

    You see, I think the gay baker has the right to deny a service that offends them. But I also believe those of religious convictions where gay marriage is an abomination to their faith should not be forced to create something for a person that they find offensive.

    Why is ok in your eyes for a bigot to refuse to serve a black person in his restaurant because black people "offend him"?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No spin, in the video, gay bakers denied the cake to people of a different sexuality, because they dont agree with their view of marriage.
    And again, if an anti-gay marriage baker does not make gay wedding cakes for anyone whats the problem?
    He never presented his sexuality to them either. Nor did they say "we won't bake you that cake because you are straight". No one ever said anything like that.

    Again, they did not request a "gay wedding cake". They requested a "wedding cake", a product that the bakers did sell. They did not even get to the point, with either instance, where a design of the cake was even brought up. The one couple knew they wanted a design the baker made, the mother said this. The bakery made wedding cakes, and that is what they requested.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's been pretty much proven that those who went after people who do not perform services in their professions in the wedding industry were being targeted by gay marriage activists. And they are just fine with forcing someone to make them a cake or haul them to court. Between these escapades of gay marriage activists hauling photographers/bakers/florists/ caterers into court for refusing to do said services due to religious convictions, state laws on religious freedom had to better protect those people of faith. It wasn't just the wedding industry but how this administration passed a law that discriminated against charities and businesses over certain things that violated their beliefs in Obamacare.

    The guy in the video targeted gay bakers asking for an anti-gay cake and recorded their responses on a video. He did not file charges against any of the gay bakers for discrimination but he sure revealed the hypocrisy.

    Guess all the hoopla over Pence's bill didn't stop Arkansas from passing one almost identical today.
    Prove that either of those couples who were denied service by either Sweet Cakes or Masterpiece targeted those bakeries, knowing that they would be refused service. Evidence to support this claim.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He never presented his sexuality to them either. Nor did they say "we won't bake you that cake because you are straight". No one ever said anything like that.

    Again, they did not request a "gay wedding cake". They requested a "wedding cake", a product that the bakers did sell. They did not even get to the point, with either instance, where a design of the cake was even brought up. The one couple knew they wanted a design the baker made, the mother said this. The bakery made wedding cakes, and that is what they requested.
    You are grasping at straw yet again. This was discrimination, based on the views of someone because of their view on gay marriage.
    We both know this, but you defend it.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats what the left does-they shop for targets to sue.
    Oh puh-lease....at least get your facts straight. In the Colorado bakery case, the men had been long-time customers of the store. They didn't seek the store out as a target to sue. They assumed that as long-time customers they would be treated with the same respect that the baker gave to all their customers. They were shocked when the bigot refused to make the cake for them. They weren't asking for anything offensive to be placed on the cake....just the same cake that they offered to the public.

    In essence...the baker was akin to the white restaurant owner: You can have the soup and sit in the back...but you can't order the things off the menu that I only serve to whites.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So, a store could decide not to sell to blacks, or christians or disabled or vets?
    It's hard to believe, but these Neanderthals actually believe that. No right is more sacred to them than property rights.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh puh-lease....at least get your facts straight. In the Colorado bakery case, the men had been long-time customers of the store. They didn't seek the store out as a target to sue. They assumed that as long-time customers they would be treated with the same respect that the baker gave to all their customers. They were shocked when the bigot refused to make the cake for them. They weren't asking for anything offensive to be placed on the cake....just the same cake that they offered to the public.

    In essence...the baker was akin to the white restaurant owner: You can have the soup and sit in the back...but you can't order the things off the menu that I only serve to whites.
    They look for the most compelling case, often setting things up. Im reminded of the Fluck case. Make no mistake the ACLU and other lefty groups are out there looking for this type of thing every day, seeking to find cases that will make it to the supreme court.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You are just making excuses here. The hypocrisy here is stunning.

    BTW all the bill does is protect the business from a lawsuit, if they have a conviction to not sell to gays, I say fine (its a private business), however they will likely suffer for holding that view.
    They should not be protected from a lawsuit at all. Their religious views are their personal choice. They are no different than a person who thinks women should never handle money because they are likely to spend it or a black person is always going to try to steal something so they don't deserve service. Doesn't matter where the beliefs originate, a person still chooses to hold those beliefs.

    And there is no "hypocrisy" here. The situations are not similar, let alone the same. No one is being illegally discriminated against by being denied a request to write something hateful on a cake, something the baker does not wish to write on the cake. That was the reason for the denial of service, unlike the other cases, where denial of service was admitted to being because the people requesting service were of the same sex, were gay.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    He made it perfectly clear that the cake was for an upcoming celebration of traditional marriage. The bakers who stated they did not do same sex wedding cakes and had never done one before were considered discriminating. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
    That won't stop them from trying

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