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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Show that this is actually happening. Anyone can refuse to make a cake with wording on it that they feel is hurtful, wrong, etc., so long as they refuse to do so for everyone.
    If businesses boycott the state because of the law, they're discriminating. Same with other states banning travel to Indiana. It's discrimination

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    If businesses boycott the state because of the law, they're discriminating. Same with other states banning travel to Indiana. It's discrimination
    Oh brother.

    That's a pretty stupid post.

    Let me guess, you read that dumb pjmedia piece.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The bakeries this man called except one made all occasion cakes which is what he was asking for. And yes he did state about an upcoming event in the coming weeks to celebrate traditional marriage. If the baker stayed on the line long enough he shared his views that he believed marriage to be between a man and a woman. The irony is in black and white not fifty shades of grey.
    He said that it was to celebrate "pro-traditional marriage", not a traditional marriage. He was not requesting a wedding cake. And bakeries are free to refuse to serve someone if the person asks for something put on, written on, drawn on the cake that they find offensive, simply do not wish to do. There is no "irony" at all here. It is one idiot being hailed by those who believe it should be okay for bakeries to refuse service to gays because he tried (and failed) to show these bakeries were hypocritical or something else. He wasn't being honest with those bakeries (no one would look for a cake from bakeries in different states, these were in different states), and they are free to refuse service to anyone, so long as the refusal is not based on a classification of the person protected by law. They did not refuse service to him based on his religion, his race, his sex, his sexuality, or any other protected classification. The bakeries, Sweet cakes by Melissa and Masterpiece cakeshop both refused service and stated that they were refusing service to the people ordering the wedding cakes because they were of the same sex, homosexual. Not one of the bakeries he asked specifically stated he was being refused service for such a reason.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    If businesses boycott the state because of the law, they're discriminating. Same with other states banning travel to Indiana. It's discrimination
    There is legal discrimination, and even "justified" discrimination, and then there is illegal discrimination and/or unjustified discrimination.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I live in a small town. One bakery.

    Not another one for 30 miles.

    What is the point?
    Where in the hell do you people live?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Where in the hell do you people live?
    In places lots of people live in the country.

    Small towns. Yanno?

    Or what I call -- paradise.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Nope. The cake is being denied due to the sexuality/sexes of the people ordering the cake, not the content of the cake, when the baker refuses to sell them a cake based on them being of the same sex, homosexual.

    This is an attempt at spin. It failed.

    And he doesn't have to mention his religion. Even if they had assumed his religion and denied him the cake based off that, it would have been illegal discrimination. But that is not what happened. They refused to bake a cake they did not make for anyone. They would not write those words on a cake for any customer, which is why the man in question was denied service for that request.
    No spin, in the video, gay bakers denied the cake to people of a different sexuality, because they dont agree with their view of marriage.
    And again, if an anti-gay marriage baker does not make gay wedding cakes for anyone whats the problem?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Vesper.

    : My first thought is why anyone would visit numerous bakeries in the first place. It sounds like they were looking for a reason to file a lawsuit, and perhaps make some easy money. Why didn't they just go with the first bakery that agreed to bake and decorate their cake the way they wanted? Was this a research project for someone with an agenda? It just sounds suspicious to me that anyone would take the time to do this, just out of curiousity.
    It's been pretty much proven that those who went after people who do not perform services in their professions in the wedding industry were being targeted by gay marriage activists. And they are just fine with forcing someone to make them a cake or haul them to court. Between these escapades of gay marriage activists hauling photographers/bakers/florists/ caterers into court for refusing to do said services due to religious convictions, state laws on religious freedom had to better protect those people of faith. It wasn't just the wedding industry but how this administration passed a law that discriminated against charities and businesses over certain things that violated their beliefs in Obamacare.

    The guy in the video targeted gay bakers asking for an anti-gay cake and recorded their responses on a video. He did not file charges against any of the gay bakers for discrimination but he sure revealed the hypocrisy.

    Guess all the hoopla over Pence's bill didn't stop Arkansas from passing one almost identical today.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    In places lots of people live in the country.

    Small towns. Yanno?

    Or what I call -- paradise.
    It's basically me and an old lady and that's basically it for some miles. I love it out here, but come on, most people aren't living in these kind of places.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He said that it was to celebrate "pro-traditional marriage", not a traditional marriage. He was not requesting a wedding cake. And bakeries are free to refuse to serve someone if the person asks for something put on, written on, drawn on the cake that they find offensive, simply do not wish to do. There is no "irony" at all here. It is one idiot being hailed by those who believe it should be okay for bakeries to refuse service to gays because he tried (and failed) to show these bakeries were hypocritical or something else. He wasn't being honest with those bakeries (no one would look for a cake from bakeries in different states, these were in different states), and they are free to refuse service to anyone, so long as the refusal is not based on a classification of the person protected by law. They did not refuse service to him based on his religion, his race, his sex, his sexuality, or any other protected classification. The bakeries, Sweet cakes by Melissa and Masterpiece cakeshop both refused service and stated that they were refusing service to the people ordering the wedding cakes because they were of the same sex, homosexual. Not one of the bakeries he asked specifically stated he was being refused service for such a reason.
    You are just making excuses here. The hypocrisy here is stunning.

    BTW all the bill does is protect the business from a lawsuit, if they have a conviction to not sell to gays, I say fine (its a private business), however they will likely suffer for holding that view.

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