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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    You could have just told me you were talking ABOUT Sheldon, a character on BBT, when I first QUOTED your post.
    I thought it was obvious. I really wasn't sure what you were talking about but considered it a defense of Logicman since that is who I was originally posting to, my bad I guess.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    What's wrong about that?


    When you said "everything" - you only meant that post?
    Go back, see that little image after the sentence? Now whatever can that mean? Yikes dude.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Roguenuke.

    I'm sorry, but that sounds like a story made up by someone with a grudge against that bakery. It doesn't make sense for any business to turn down a paying customer if the facts are as you relate. Something else must have happened that hasn't been told. How did the baker know their sexual leanings? Had the baker previously told them they were not welcome in his bakery because of obnoxious behavior on their part in the past? Were they demanding, rude and/or nasty in their attitude? There are always two sides to every story. Lots of people think they are entitled to act any way they like - we see them all the time at the mall, for instance. I just don't know what to believe here.
    Are you talking about the real cases, at least two in different states, where the same sex couples went to really buy a cake for their same sex marriage/celebration of their marriage, and were denied service once the bakers found out they were a same sex couple wanting a wedding cake?

    Oregon ruling really takes the cake -- Christian bakery guilty of violating civil rights of lesbian couple | Fox News

    Masterpiece Cakeshop, Colorado Bakery, Agrees To 'Dog Wedding' Cake Despite Turning Away Gays

    No one was being "set up" here. They didn't have to be. The owners openly admitted that not only did they deny service to these couples, at least one of them, if not both, have denied service to same sex couples prior to these incidents. One of the shops closed its storefront business, and now works from home, taking orders online. The other claims to not sell wedding cakes anymore, but still advertises that he does on his website. And there are many comments on Yelp that show that he did in fact discriminate against other couples before this one stood up for themselves and reported him/sued him.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Has anyone checked how many bakeries they are in any major city or small town? Go ahead and look and come back to tell me the results.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    He made it perfectly clear that the cake was for an upcoming celebration of traditional marriage. The bakers who stated they did not do same sex wedding cakes and had never done one before were considered discriminating. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
    No he didn't. He said it was a cake to support traditional marriage, not for a "traditional" marriage/wedding celebration. The very first phone call was to a place that didn't even make wedding cakes or any cakes for that matter, but rather big cookies, which she told him several times before she finally went off on him. And there is no more a such thing as "same sex wedding cake" then there is "interracial wedding cakes" or "Muslim wedding cakes" or "Christian wedding cakes". The couple did not ask for a "same sex wedding cake". They asked simply for a wedding cake, which the bakery sold. They were denied due to their relative sexes, not because the bakery didn't make such cakes.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Did he mention religion or his religion at all?

    Let me get this straight, your premise is that if an anti-gay marriage bakers tells a someone he as a policy does not bake cakes for gay weddings, thats ok?
    Nope. The cake is being denied due to the sexuality/sexes of the people ordering the cake, not the content of the cake, when the baker refuses to sell them a cake based on them being of the same sex, homosexual.

    This is an attempt at spin. It failed.

    And he doesn't have to mention his religion. Even if they had assumed his religion and denied him the cake based off that, it would have been illegal discrimination. But that is not what happened. They refused to bake a cake they did not make for anyone. They would not write those words on a cake for any customer, which is why the man in question was denied service for that request.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Go back, see that little image after the sentence? Now whatever can that mean? Yikes dude.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I believe 3 out of all the bakeries he spoke with offered to bake a cake but not decorate it with the words "Gay Marriage is Wrong". They just outright refused and found it offensive. But you seem to miss the irony completely. The one asking for the cake doesn't see the phrase "Gay Marriage is Wrong" to be offensive as it is part of his religious beliefs that traditional marriage is holy matrimony and some faiths believe it to be one of the sacraments. He was denied a service over his religious beliefs. Yet a person whose moral conscience doesn't want to do gay wedding cakes is forced to under fear of jail, fines etc.

    While surfing the web today, I discovered there are lawsuits against gay bakers who refused to provide a cake that did not support gay marriage.

    One such case was an order for an open Bible with this symbol placed on the cake.



    The gay baker refused to do it. Now there are cases in our court system of gay bakers being sued for denying a cake with a Scripture pertaining to sexual sin or symbolism

    You see, I think the gay baker has the right to deny a service that offends them. But I also believe those of religious convictions where gay marriage is an abomination to their faith should not be forced to create something for a person that they find offensive.
    Greetings, Vesper.

    : My first thought is why anyone would visit numerous bakeries in the first place. It sounds like they were looking for a reason to file a lawsuit, and perhaps make some easy money. Why didn't they just go with the first bakery that agreed to bake and decorate their cake the way they wanted? Was this a research project for someone with an agenda? It just sounds suspicious to me that anyone would take the time to do this, just out of curiousity.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No he didn't. He said it was a cake to support traditional marriage, not for a "traditional" marriage/wedding celebration. The very first phone call was to a place that didn't even make wedding cakes or any cakes for that matter, but rather big cookies, which she told him several times before she finally went off on him. And there is no more a such thing as "same sex wedding cake" then there is "interracial wedding cakes" or "Muslim wedding cakes" or "Christian wedding cakes". The couple did not ask for a "same sex wedding cake". They asked simply for a wedding cake, which the bakery sold. They were denied due to their relative sexes, not because the bakery didn't make such cakes.
    The bakeries this man called except one made all occasion cakes which is what he was asking for. And yes he did state about an upcoming event in the coming weeks to celebrate traditional marriage. If the baker stayed on the line long enough he shared his views that he believed marriage to be between a man and a woman. The irony is in black and white not fifty shades of grey.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Has anyone checked how many bakeries they are in any major city or small town? Go ahead and look and come back to tell me the results.
    I live in a small town. One bakery.

    Not another one for 30 miles.

    What is the point?

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