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Thread: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You said the guy who "plays" Hari Seldon was gay in real life. I asked you what film/series he played Hari Seldon in and you had no idea.
    For crying out loud are you both being purposefully dense?

    Clown boy, you said you watch Big Bang theory, so you should know who Sheldon is.

    HarinSeldon, YOU should know what the Foundation series is.

    Jesus.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I believe 3 out of all the bakeries he spoke with offered to bake a cake but not decorate it with the words "Gay Marriage is Wrong". They just outright refused and found it offensive. But you seem to miss the irony completely. The one asking for the cake doesn't see the phrase "Gay Marriage is Wrong" to be offensive as it is part of his religious beliefs that traditional marriage is holy matrimony and some faiths believe it to be one of the sacraments. He was denied a service over his religious beliefs. Yet a person whose moral conscience doesn't want to do gay wedding cakes is forced to under fear of jail, fines etc.

    While surfing the web today, I discovered there are lawsuits against gay bakers who refused to provide a cake that did not support gay marriage.

    One such case was an order for an open Bible with this symbol placed on the cake.



    The gay baker refused to do it. Now there are cases in our court system of gay bakers being sued for denying a cake with a Scripture pertaining to sexual sin or symbolism

    You see, I think the gay baker has the right to deny a service that offends them. But I also believe those of religious convictions where gay marriage is an abomination to their faith should not be forced to create something for a person that they find offensive.
    Doesn't matter if the baker finds it offensive to sell a wedding cake to a same sex couple or not. They bake wedding cakes. They cannot therefore offer them just to opposite sex couples.

    There is still no evidence that anyone asked by that guy (who was a douche and acted completely rude and disrespectful over the phone, which would have been enough to deny service to him by itself) denied him his cake due to his religion, rather than what he wanted written on the cake. You don't have to be Christian to be against same sex marriage. There are people of every belief system, including atheists and agnostics who are against same sex marriage. So long as they would not make a cake with the words "gay marriage is wrong" on it for anyone, then they are not discriminating.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Show us exactly where a baker was sued and punished (fined, lost the case, etc.) for refusing to bake a cake they wouldn't make for anyone? Those bakers who refused made wedding cakes. They weren't being asked to write anything on the cake, as far as we know, nor were they even asked to place a "him/him" or "her/her" topper on the cake. They were asked to bake and decorate a cake they actually do make, advertise that they make.
    You missed my point-shouldn't tolerance be a two way street? Why shouldn't gay bakery owners have to bake anti-gay marriage cakes? Aren't you for consistency?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    No, you haven't pointed out where I was wrong.

    Your opinions on things of how this law works are your opinion. You haven't shown where I was factually wrong.

    You might disagree with my opinion - when I state it, of how I think it works.

    But on the factual matters -- I'm not wrong.
    Nonsense, and one AgentJ is enough for any forum. You weren't bandying about any facts, or even talking about this bill. I'll refresh your memory:

    Originally Posted by Paperview View Post

    It's pretty hypocritical for you and the other cons to complain about doing business with communists - when just about everything you're touching right now comes from there.

    The businesses here have a much great affect on what happens in their own country and employees than purchasing good from the world's largest exporter of goods.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You said the guy who "plays" Hari Seldon was gay in real life. I asked you what film/series he played Hari Seldon in and you had no idea.
    Sorry but I didn't say that. Perhaps if you go back and reread the thread.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Show us exactly where a baker was sued and punished (fined, lost the case, etc.) for refusing to bake a cake they wouldn't make for anyone? Those bakers who refused made wedding cakes. They weren't being asked to write anything on the cake, as far as we know, nor were they even asked to place a "him/him" or "her/her" topper on the cake. They were asked to bake and decorate a cake they actually do make, advertise that they make.
    Greetings, Roguenuke.

    I'm sorry, but that sounds like a story made up by someone with a grudge against that bakery. It doesn't make sense for any business to turn down a paying customer if the facts are as you relate. Something else must have happened that hasn't been told. How did the baker know their sexual leanings? Had the baker previously told them they were not welcome in his bakery because of obnoxious behavior on their part in the past? Were they demanding, rude and/or nasty in their attitude? There are always two sides to every story. Lots of people think they are entitled to act any way they like - we see them all the time at the mall, for instance. I just don't know what to believe here.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    For crying out loud are you both being purposefully dense?

    Clown boy, you said you watch Big Bang theory, so you should know who Sheldon is.

    HarinSeldon, YOU should know what the Foundation series is.

    Jesus.
    Thank you Guy. I saw his nick and misunderstood. Btw, is it any surprise that the actor who plays Sheldon is gay?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter if the baker finds it offensive to sell a wedding cake to a same sex couple or not. They bake wedding cakes. They cannot therefore offer them just to opposite sex couples.

    There is still no evidence that anyone asked by that guy (who was a douche and acted completely rude and disrespectful over the phone, which would have been enough to deny service to him by itself) denied him his cake due to his religion, rather than what he wanted written on the cake. You don't have to be Christian to be against same sex marriage. There are people of every belief system, including atheists and agnostics who are against same sex marriage. So long as they would not make a cake with the words "gay marriage is wrong" on it for anyone, then they are not discriminating.
    RFRA doesn't change that, as anti discrmination laws have always been held to be a compelling state interest.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You missed my point-shouldn't tolerance be a two way street? Why shouldn't gay bakery owners have to bake anti-gay marriage cakes? Aren't you for consistency?
    So long as those bakers did not write those messages on cakes for anyone, then they are being "tolerant". Did they refuse to bake him a cake or cookie for his opposite sex wedding? Did they tell him that they were refusing his requested item because of his religion? No. There is no intolerance there. Taken the other way. Has a baker (in the US) been taken to court or fined or even accused of discrimination due to refusing to bake a cake with the words "gay marriage is okay" or "support gay/same sex marriage" on it?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thank you Guy. I saw his nick and misunderstood. Btw, is it any surprise that the actor who plays Sheldon is gay?
    Ha, I can see how you made that mistake, I am kind of surprised Hari didn't pick up on your reference to Foundation.

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