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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry, no. Words have meaning and the term "protected class" has a solid legal meaning and the classes are defined in law. It is not an all inclusive term.
    Yes, it is.


    You haven't thought that through yet, have you?

    Yes, it's true.

    To wit: race, color, creed, sex, or national origin and even *if* sexual preference were added ---

    ...we're all members of those protected groups.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Looks like you can't do it either.
    Been explained too many times before and a waste of time to continually repeat it every time someone carts out the cold bull**** and reheats it hoping folks will go for it this time around.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Do you have a race?

    Check

    Do you have a color"

    Check.

    Do you have a sex?

    Check.

    Do you have a creed?

    Check.

    Do you have a national origin?

    Check.

    Do you have a sexual preference?

    Check (well, most do...;0)

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    I don't believe a movie was made about the Foundation Trilogy, which actually has 2 sequels and 2 prequels not to mention a continuation trilogy by David Brin, Grear Bear and Gregory Benford along with countless books related to the Foundation Universe. My favorite being Psychohistorical Crisis by Donald Kingsbury.

    The did make a movie about I Robot starring Will Smith, perhaps you have heard of him.
    Yeah, but you said there was an actor who played Hari. In what?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Been explained too many times before and a waste of time to continually repeat it every time someone carts out the cold bull**** and reheats it hoping folks will go for it this time around.
    No, you haven't pointed out where I was wrong.

    Your opinions on things of how this law works are your opinion. You haven't shown where I was factually wrong.

    You might disagree with my opinion - when I state it, of how I think it works.

    But on the factual matters -- I'm not wrong.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    For not having someone sell them something they don't sell? No one, Christian, Muslim, atheist, Jew, other would be able to require those bakers to make them a cake/cookie that said something hateful or that they didn't agree on it. Most offered to sell him a cake that he could decorate on his own. And if he hadn't been so rude and obnoxious to them, insisting that they weren't standing for equality or they weren't being fair to him, etc., then all of them likely would have offered to sell him a cake that he could have added the exact words he wanted to them. He wasn't turned away for being Christian, or even really being against gays, but denied service on a type of cake those bakers didn't actually make, one with what they considered "hateful" message on it. So long as they wouldn't sell such a cake to anyone, there was no discrimination.
    I believe 3 out of all the bakeries he spoke with offered to bake a cake but not decorate it with the words "Gay Marriage is Wrong". They just outright refused and found it offensive. But you seem to miss the irony completely. The one asking for the cake doesn't see the phrase "Gay Marriage is Wrong" to be offensive as it is part of his religious beliefs that traditional marriage is holy matrimony and some faiths believe it to be one of the sacraments. He was denied a service over his religious beliefs. Yet a person whose moral conscience doesn't want to do gay wedding cakes is forced to under fear of jail, fines etc.

    While surfing the web today, I discovered there are lawsuits against gay bakers who refused to provide a cake that did not support gay marriage.

    One such case was an order for an open Bible with this symbol placed on the cake.



    The gay baker refused to do it. Now there are cases in our court system of gay bakers being sued for denying a cake with a Scripture pertaining to sexual sin or symbolism

    You see, I think the gay baker has the right to deny a service that offends them. But I also believe those of religious convictions where gay marriage is an abomination to their faith should not be forced to create something for a person that they find offensive.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, but you said there was an actor who played Hari. In what?
    No idea what you are referring to.
    Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The legal meaning is exactly as I said. Show me differently. Prove that a person could refuse to serve a white person or man or Christian just because of those factors without violating the public accommodation laws.
    I see your point and cede it. I was thinking of the reality that it is always one group of people that cause a particular class to be created in law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    No idea what you are referring to.
    You said the guy who "plays" Hari Seldon was gay in real life. I asked you what film/series he played Hari Seldon in and you had no idea.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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