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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.
    Hmm didn't realize Obama was a part of the topic...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, assuming that's true, then write what's already happening into the law like most of the states with a RFRA bill. Pretty simple solution. All those fears will disappear!
    Why write an additional law for which there is no apparent need?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.
    Greetings, humbolt.

    Don't bring facts into this discussion, humbolt. It just confuses people who have their minds made up.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why write an additional law for which there is no apparent need?
    Because apparently liberals realize the laws aren't needed, but want them anyway. That is how unbelievably silly they are when it comes to this stuff.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    His record on LGBT issues was, until not so long ago, indistinguishable from Obama's.
    Even if true, and I highly doubt it, "not so long ago" is irrelevant. Obama has supported some sweeping changes that have all been in favor of LGBT - revolutionary changes. It is a different era in 2015 and Pence seems to have missed the bus and is mired in the 1960s.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.
    The text of the laws is very close but the effect is completely different. Illinois has other laws that include LGBT as a protected class. Indiana does not. This means that, even if the text of the RFRA in Illinois and Indiana were exactly the same, businesses in Illinois could not refuse service to someone just because they are gay. In Indiana, they can and the people who wrote the law in Indiana knew that. That is what makes the "we didn't mean to discriminate against anyone" spin coming from Pence so disingenuous. The religious bigots in Indiana thought they could get away with this and they are stunned by the backlash. Now, they are going to lie about their intent.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why write an additional law for which there is no apparent need?
    LOL. He's buddies with anti-SSM/gay orgs. His voting record is 100% or 0% on the issues important to them, which include opposing any attempt to extend rights to gays, and a dedicated and vocal effort to oppose SSM. What you're saying is the LGBT community should trust him and the GOP.... I assume you're joking. If not it's still

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Even if true, and I highly doubt it, "not so long ago" is irrelevant. Obama has supported some sweeping changes that have all been in favor of LGBT - revolutionary changes. It is a different era in 2015 and Pence seems to have missed the bus and is mired in the 1960s.
    Their positions were indistinguishable as recently as 2011.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because apparently liberals realize the laws aren't needed, but want them anyway. That is how unbelievably silly they are when it comes to this stuff.
    Liberals listen to the anti-SSM, anti-gay orgs he's in bed with and trust that their interests are NOT aligned with the LGBT community. So, yes, the laws ARE needed because organized, powerful, well funded groups headed by very smart people including very sharp lawyers are working hard to strip rights or prevent them from being extended to the LGBT community.

    You're saying something like - hey, that pit bull over there trained to attack liberals isn't a threat. No need for a chain or a fence. Promise, he won't hurt you.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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