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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Doesn't make sense. If all he was doing was responding to lies....he wouldn't need to change the law now would he? The reality is....yes, he IS doing damage control because he didn't expect to incur the wrath of the American people. He is caught in the past where anti-gay politics were profitable for Republicans. You need look no further than the people surrounding him at the signing that the attacks were in fact VERY true and that he was caught lying about the incentive behind the bill and what the bill really did.

    So....you have avoided the question thus far. Do you think Pence is a liar or just an idiot?
    Yes, he would need to change the law because the lies were successful.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The facts don't support your claim. Sorry Jack. Once again....if the attacks were lies...then why couldn't Pence just point out the lies? Why wasn't he able to respond to the questions? Why couldn't he counter the attacks?

    If the attacks were lies? then why is it required that the law be changed. The law would only need to be changed if in fact the attacks were True.

    Care to respond? Or just shuffle around it again?
    Yes, lies pushed by your side made changes necessary.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did he say that? Do you understand the difference between something being legal and something being seen as acceptable?
    I am asking him.
    That said, what is your opinion on the matter?
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    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Is there any legislator who said such things? No. You oppose the law because of who supported it, and you assume the legislators shared their views.
    That's what happens when you invite them to the PRIVATE SIGNING CEREMONY.

    Ron Paul got a lot of grief from support from right wing hate groups. That was unfair - you can't pick your supporters. But if he had invited them to the stage in a speech, then he's embraced them and their views. Sorry but that's how it works.

    And give me a break - Pence has a 100% or 0% rating on just about any issue involving rights for LGBT. We know he doesn't care a thing about protecting them, he opposes extending a statewide protection to them against discrimination, opposes SSM, supported a Constitutional amendment to prohibit SSM, supported DADT. He's got a record, and those supporting the bill are his buddies, his core supporters, and he's supported them with perfect records on issues important to him.

    You're asking people to ignore this context. It's ridiculous.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....more like Pence thought he could pass this POS bigoted law and no one would care. He was caught completely off guard because he didn't comprehend that we are living in the 21st century and people don't support bigotry and discrimination any more. He got the wrath of the American people. There was no mischaracterization here....if THAT is what it was, then there would be no need to change the law. The fact that he is asking for the law to be changed shows that he knows his hand was caught in the cookie jar and he's realizing that he was busted.
    Greetings, Disneydude.

    The Governor did not pass the law. The legislature did. All he did was sign it. Pence is taking the heat, because that's what a true leader does, and what Truman meant when he said "the buck stops here." Clinton signed the original years ago, and took credit for it, and other States have also adopted the original. Why the ruckus in Indiana at this time? It does look like a deliberate diversion from other problems to many people, since this law was meant to include everyone, and not to exclude anyone, as it was portrayed to be in Indiana by a group with an agenda. Will adding a line specifically mentioning certain groups make everyone happy now? Sheesh!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Every one among us a sinner. I am....you are....everyone is. It is due to our sins that we have the sacrifice of Christ. Again....you are attempting to pidgeonhole the man without understanding his teachings. If you want to have a conversation about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ...educate yourself and then get back to me. There is no question that Christ would find the actions of these bigots disgraceful. Sorry.
    Yep...and our goal should NOT be "**** YEAH!!! Im A SINNER!!! Whahoooo!!!! Ima ****in do this some MORE!!!"

    Not if you are a 'Christian'. If that were your attitude, you would still be loved. Fathers love their children unconditionally. But you would still be judged by your actions.

    Your rhetoric about Christ is laughable. You attempt to pimp out Christ for your cause...and you want to talk about disgraceful?

    Go forth...and sin no more.

    I still love you.

    But...

    sin no more.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Doesn't make sense. If all he was doing was responding to lies....he wouldn't need to change the law now would he? The reality is....yes, he IS doing damage control because he didn't expect to incur the wrath of the American people. He is caught in the past where anti-gay politics were profitable for Republicans. You need look no further than the people surrounding him at the signing that the attacks were in fact VERY true and that he was caught lying about the incentive behind the bill and what the bill really did.

    So....you have avoided the question thus far. Do you think Pence is a liar or just an idiot?
    That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There has been no case in Indiana of discrimination based on sexual orientation.
    OK, assuming that's true, then write what's already happening into the law like most of the states with a RFRA bill. Pretty simple solution. All those fears will disappear!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I am asking him.
    That said, what is your opinion on the matter?
    My position should be obvious to you after the last few days, but since you asked, my position is that everyone has the right to decide on who they will commence in commerce with. It is my position based on the facts of the situation that refusing someone service does not harm them, but simply does not give them the assistance that the goods or services that were refused could have provided. It is my position that the government has no constitutional authority to demand people provide each other their labor, provide someone service, give up their property for the benefit of someone else, associate with someone against their will, or to force them into contracts with other citizens.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's what happens when you invite them to the PRIVATE SIGNING CEREMONY.

    Ron Paul got a lot of grief from support from right wing hate groups. That was unfair - you can't pick your supporters. But if he had invited them to the stage in a speech, then he's embraced them and their views. Sorry but that's how it works.

    And give me a break - Pence has a 100% or 0% rating on just about any issue involving rights for LGBT. We know he doesn't care a thing about protecting them, he opposes extending a statewide protection to them against discrimination, opposes SSM, supported a Constitutional amendment to prohibit SSM, supported DADT. He's got a record, and those supporting the bill are his buddies, his core supporters, and he's supported them with perfect records on issues important to him.

    You're asking people to ignore this context. It's ridiculous.
    His record on LGBT issues was, until not so long ago, indistinguishable from Obama's.
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