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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    So African Americans could be denied service at a restaurant?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    So the attack on the law is justified by what you believe are the thoughts of those who supported it? Sorry, but that's not a standard I can support.
    Not what I "believe" are the "thoughts" - what they did say, what they did put in writing, how it was sold. And it's an appeal to bigotry in the name of religious freedom, and attacking that is a standard I support.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Not what I "believe" are the "thoughts" - what they did say, what they did put in writing, how it was sold. And it's an appeal to bigotry in the name of religious freedom, and attacking that is a standard I support.
    Is there any legislator who said such things? No. You oppose the law because of who supported it, and you assume the legislators shared their views.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He was caught off guard by the success of an attack based on vicious dishonesty.
    OK, vicious dishonesty is BS, but what he didn't feel he could do at that time was undermine the social conservatives who are his base and tell them what they'd been told was not in fact true. Also, as has been pointed out, sexual orientation isn't protected in Indiana, he has no interest in protecting them as a group, so the law didn't protect them before and doesn't now. So he's in a bit of a bind. The law adds to the protection (to businesses) that was already weak for LGBT in most of Indiana because of the lack of a statewide law protecting sexual orientation.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Pence is acting to prevent damage to his state. He recognized political reality: liars are damaging his state. He is doing his duty and recognizing political reality. Sometimes the bad guys win.
    Doesn't make sense. If all he was doing was responding to lies....he wouldn't need to change the law now would he? The reality is....yes, he IS doing damage control because he didn't expect to incur the wrath of the American people. He is caught in the past where anti-gay politics were profitable for Republicans. You need look no further than the people surrounding him at the signing that the attacks were in fact VERY true and that he was caught lying about the incentive behind the bill and what the bill really did.

    So....you have avoided the question thus far. Do you think Pence is a liar or just an idiot?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Anyone could be denied for any reason the merchant has
    So segregation by color/race is fine with you?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, vicious dishonesty is BS, but what he didn't feel he could do at that time was undermine the social conservatives who are his base and tell them what they'd been told was not in fact true. Also, as has been pointed out, sexual orientation isn't protected in Indiana, he has no interest in protecting them as a group, so the law didn't protect them before and doesn't now. So he's in a bit of a bind. The law adds to the protection that was already weak in most of Indiana because of the lack of a statewide law protecting sexual orientation.
    There has been no case in Indiana of discrimination based on sexual orientation.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    So segregation by color/race is fine with you?
    Did he say that? Do you understand the difference between something being legal and something being seen as acceptable?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He makes the right point. The liars won this round.
    The facts don't support your claim. Sorry Jack. Once again....if the attacks were lies...then why couldn't Pence just point out the lies? Why wasn't he able to respond to the questions? Why couldn't he counter the attacks?

    If the attacks were lies? then why is it required that the law be changed. The law would only need to be changed if in fact the attacks were True.

    Care to respond? Or just shuffle around it again?

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