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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but the liars won this time, and your post is a good example of how well-intentioned people were taken in. Fortunately, the recovery won't be difficult.
    Who were the well intentioned who were taken in - Pence? I doubt he was taken in, but his supporters undermined public support and he's paying the price for that. And the GOP is paying the price for ignoring critics and the business community who told them the signal they were sending. That this shocks them just reflects their political incompetence.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Who were the well intentioned who were taken in - Pence? I doubt he was taken in, but his supporters undermined public support and he's paying the price for that. And the GOP is paying the price for ignoring critics and the business community who told them the signal they were sending. That this shocks them just reflects their political incompetence.
    I was counting you among the well-intentioned who have been taken in.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Someone who knows more than me would have to explain why it's necessary. Generally I prefer fewer laws, and too many are just superfluous showboating, IMHO. I don't think there's any evidence that states without such laws have appreciably higher numbers of episodes of discrimination.
    One valid reason is to protect a subset of the population who are subjected to discrimination.
    Being Canadian with a differing Constitution, Bill of Rights and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I am simply amazed by how people in the US are against protecting rights. Yet use Religion as the basis to restrict rights.

    Now if this was to restrict in some way guns, say waiting periods, checks and such, stopping people from buying them at local gun sales, and the State laws vary, why hellfire and brimstone would be the result
    People would be up in arms.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    No....the Bull **** that people are tired of is people who still think it is ok to discriminate in this country. That is why Indiana is facing the wrath of the nation. Pence is such an idiot, he thought he could pass this through without there being any outcry. Maybe in 1940 but not in 2015. In 2015 people in this country are tired of the bigots and people who preach hate. So now what we are seeing is people trying to hide behind religion and use it as a shield to implement their bigotry. Sorry...but America saw right through this ploy and isn't buying it.

    People who invoke the name of Christ and seek to wrap themselves in his name are using his name in vain. Anyone who has even studied the life of the man for more than 5 minutes knows full well that he would never condone this kind of activity. I know the "totality of his comments" and I know that Christ never preached hatred and never preached shunning someone because you find them "icky". The vast majority of Christ's teaching were about being a good person, loving your neighbor, treating people with dignity and respect, charity and service. Christ was less concerned with pointing his fingers at the "sinners" and more about pointing his finger at the Pharisees who would stand on the corner and pray loudly in public so that others will look upon them. Today's "Christians" are the Pharisees of modern times. They are more concerned about politics and perverting his name than they are about striving to emulate any of his life/teachings.
    Horse****. Remove federal judge decisions and the facts are clear and obvious. Nationwide...the gay community **** themselves because the owner of Chik-Fil-A dared to support family values. Their ridiculous response was to schedule idiotic and impotent displays and protests. The result? hell...even gay people thought what they were doing was stupid and told them to knock it the **** off.

    You go right ahead and keep twisting and spinning trying to make your version of Christ fit the facts. It wont work.

    Sin no more. If you are going to try to use Christ as an argument, you will get the TOTAL comment. He did challenge those that would condemn the prostitute. to her his reply...Go forth...Sin no more.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    One valid reason is to protect a subset of the population who are subjected to discrimination.
    Being Canadian with a differing Constitution, Bill of Rights and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I am simply amazed by how people in the US are against protecting rights. Yet use Religion as the basis to restrict rights.

    Now if this was to restrict in some way guns, say waiting periods, checks and such, stopping people from buying them at local gun sales, and the State laws vary, why hellfire and brimstone would be the result
    People would be up in arms.
    The right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. Perhaps the answer is a constitutional amendment to confer that status on LGBT people.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. Perhaps the answer is a constitutional amendment to confer that status on LGBT people.
    We do need a sarcasm font.
    The point made was to enable discrimination under the guise of religious beliefs.
    Human rights are not a big thing in the US or just certain Conservative States?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Pence hit the nail on the head today at his press conference. Gross mischaracterization of the law and sloppy journalism enabled the liars to win this time.
    OK, but the "gross mischaracterization" was at least ALSO by supporters of the bill, who Pence invited to the bill signing. You keep ignoring that. Not sure why - bottom line is they f'd up and are paying the price for appealing to bigots to support the bill because it would enable discrimination.

    And sorry but Pence is an idiot. If he wanted to tamp down the "lies" about the bill not enabling discrimination, all he had to do was answer George's question just one time out of the six times he was asked if it would allow for discrimination. He chose not to. Stupid move, Governor!

    Gov. This bill is NOT about discrimination.
    George: So, Gov. will businesses be allowed to discriminate?
    Gov. You know, George, it's, like, you know, not about that, see, it's about freedom and liberty.

    Later. Gov: Why is everyone worried about the discrimination that I refused, SIX TIMES, to say is not facilitated about this bill. Gosh, I can't understand why there is any concern.... Lieberal media!!!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Horse****. Remove federal judge decisions and the facts are clear and obvious. Nationwide...the gay community **** themselves because the owner of Chik-Fil-A dared to support family values. Their ridiculous response was to schedule idiotic and impotent displays and protests. The result? hell...even gay people thought what they were doing was stupid and told them to knock it the **** off.

    You go right ahead and keep twisting and spinning trying to make your version of Christ fit the facts. It wont work.

    Sin no more. If you are going to try to use Christ as an argument, you will get the TOTAL comment. He did challenge those that would condemn the prostitute. to her his reply...Go forth...Sin no more.
    Really? Is this why the nationwide acceptance of marriage equality has grown at an exponential rate over the last 5 years? People by large majorities now support marriage equality all across America. It isn't just (as you want to try to argue...those pesky activist judges).

    The reality is that we are living in the 21st century (no longer the 20th or 19th)...People are tired of bigotry and discrimination. Bigots will continue to pay the price for their bigotry and America will not allow people to try to use religion as a shield to practice their bigotry and discrimination.

    People can continue to try to pervert the teachings of Christ and take his name in vain to try to push their right-wing social agenda.

    The plain and simple truth is that if people who use the name of Christ to justify their bigotry actually understood his teachings and followed them....we wouldn't even be here having this conversation.

    "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these...my brethren....ye have done it unto me". "Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you". Very simple precepts to follow.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I was counting you among the well-intentioned who have been taken in.
    Taken in by what? I've read the legal analyses and it appears, based on the law as it stands today, that there isn't a big issue with the Indiana RFRA. What's just fact, however, is what motivated it and what supporters told the public - that it WAS at least a partial license to discriminate. I've posted the links, the picture of the guys making these claims standing RIGHT THERE with the Gov at the private bill signing are on this thread. The backlash is the bed those people made and I'm very happy to see them paying a price for getting in bed with anti-SSM/gay bigots.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    We do need a sarcasm font.
    The point made was to enable discrimination under the guise of religious beliefs.
    Human rights are not a big thing in the US or just certain Conservative States?
    I was not being sarcastic. Were you? Freedom of religion is likewise constitutionally protected, and also falls in the category of human rights. I'm not religious myself, but I don't think it's necessary to oppress believers to liberate anyone else.
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