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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Not really. Not when you invite them to the signing and position them within arms reach in a position of respect.

    And you're being disingenuous here. Pence is a social conservative, rates 100% or 0% on the various rankings related to LGBT, and that "irresponsible fringe" and who they speak to is a core part of his base.

    FWIW, I won't quote from it but this is a very well documented summary of what we've been talking about. Bottom line is the religious freedom bill was sold exactly as the "vicious" attacks say it was, as a way to discriminate against LGBT at least when it comes to SSM. There's even a Facebook post by the Indiana Coalition to Protect Religious Freedom that asserts the bill can be used to nullify local ordinances protecting gays. So when Pence says, "I just don't know where people got the idea this was about teh gays???!!!" he's lying. All he had to do was listen to his supporters and those pushing the bill who sold religious freedom acts as a way to do just that.
    Sorry, but the liars won this time, and your post is a good example of how well-intentioned people were taken in. Fortunately, the recovery won't be difficult.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sadly, the liars won this round, but the recovery is not difficult.
    Should Indiana have a law protecting LGBT from discrimination?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Should Indiana have a law protecting LGBT from discrimination?
    Do you think that's necessary?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but the liars won this time, and your post is a good example of how well-intentioned people were taken in. Fortunately, the recovery won't be difficult.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Do you think that's necessary?
    From what I see and read. Yes.
    Why have other States enacted such legislation?
    Due to discrimination.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I get it! At the Sermon on the Mount Jesus made certain that porkers and fatasses didn't get any bread and made damned sure they didn't go back for seconds. That would have been enabling them to commit one of the 7 Deadly Sins, no? Why doesn't anyone ever mention that?

    I'm confused. According to you Christians in Indiana need a religious freedom law for the purpose of only practicing the parts of their religion they like. Christians in Indiana are not denying greedy people the right to purchase more crap they don't need, right? How about McMansions? Do Christian real estate agents refuse to sell people houses that people really don't need? You are telling me Indiana Christians support selling boats and vacation homes and diamond jewelry to people. Doesn't that directly contribute to the practice of envy? They don't have problems doing business and/or associating with prideful people either, huh? When fat people come rolling into a Christian owned restaurant in Indiana their business will not be refused...unless they are gay fat people.

    What do you want to bet that almost all the churches that support Indiana's religious freedom law so that they can deny doing business with gay people in the Lord's name have vending machines full of sugary drinks and sugar laden snacks? Promoting and enabling gluttony for Jesus? That's OK. Right?

    So we really aren't talking about the protection of a religion are we? We aren't even talking about most Christians. We are talking about a law that allows a small number of people practice pure hatred in the name of Christianity. I'd imagine most good Christians in Indiana feel raped.
    Can't win a religious argument so you go off on the deep end about leftist nonsense..
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    From what I see and read. Yes.
    Why have other States enacted such legislation?
    Due to discrimination.
    Someone who knows more than me would have to explain why it's necessary. Generally I prefer fewer laws, and too many are just superfluous showboating, IMHO. I don't think there's any evidence that states without such laws have appreciably higher numbers of episodes of discrimination.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    What abuot these. I take it you do support strip clubs?
    https://www.tuscl.net/clubs.php?m=c&id=804
    Thanks - hope my anti-virus software was up to date after clicking on that link.

    I don't go to them, if that's your question (I've been, but always thought the experience was creepy), but I don't think there's any doubt they reflect a community's "values." Or at least they reflect the values of the mostly male lawmakers who decide on these things. Heck, there's always a story about how prostitutes flock to any big political convention - GOP or Democratic. It's not because they're interested in the politics! Same with Super Bowls, etc.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sadly, the liars seem to have won this round, but the fix is not difficult. Hate to see this in my native state.
    Yep, too bad the shysters bilking social conservatives of their cash lied about what the bills was intended to do and others believed the lies.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yep, too bad the shysters bilking social conservatives of their cash lied about what the bills was intended to do and others believed the lies.
    Pence hit the nail on the head today at his press conference. Gross mischaracterization of the law and sloppy journalism enabled the liars to win this time.
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