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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by hosh.24 View Post
    "...in most situations..." Could you expand on what you mean by this?
    Sure. I support the common law requirement for innkeepers and common carriers to serve all takers. I would very strongly object to being denied a motel room in a remote area on a very cold winter's night, for example, and so would anyone else.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Both discriminate, against gays-correct?
    no, all the bills (3 you made reference to) do not allow the same avenue/possibility of discrimination. In fact per the links posted here by others the Illinois one specifically mentioned that this doesn't trump illegal discrimination against civil rights and included sexual orientation and transgender
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you wanna show where he spoke about prostitution? And yet...

    go forth...and sin no more.

    Now..we CAN absolutely show where his apostles talked about homosexuality...right?

    Sin no more. Thats the part you always forget.
    Why are you trying to equate homosexuality with prostitution. A close analogy would be adultry with prostitution. Funny thing is...most of the bigots have no problem serving adulterers.

    Along the same lines....most of these businesses have no problem serving any plethora of "sinners". If you have an issue with people who commit "sins" then going into business is probably a bad idea. Oh wait....I get it....they only don't want to serve "those" "sinners".

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post


    Should this Christian man be angry?
    If this man runs a specifically christian bakery, than in my opinion he has every right to deny service to people who want a cake that promotes something he does not agree with, just as the people who run the pro-same sex marriage bakeries have the right to deny him the cake he was asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Sure. I support the common law requirement for innkeepers and common carriers to serve all takers. I would very strongly object to being denied a motel room in a remote area on a very cold winter's night, for example, and so would anyone else.
    But its okay for homosexuals to be denied the same service, correct?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    This law is not comparable to other states that have similar laws.
    Discrimination is discrimination under the guise of Religious rights.
    Exactly, and now pence or penance want's to redefine the law, what's there to define? Notice how the GOP wagons are circling around the IN law? I hope they're inclusive of Islam while they're circling the Christian wagons.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    I am a Christian and I understand that the whole Bible is the teachings of Christ
    Many of Jesus's teachings in the New Testament are 180 degrees from what's in the Old Testament.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    This analysis from a law professor, skilled in the law, seems to differ from your assessment.

    Comparing the Federal RFRA and the Indiana RFRA | Josh Blackman's Blog

    And who is this guy?

    About Josh | Josh Blackman's Blog

    Between what you say and what Josh here says, thanks, but I'll go with Josh.
    Must be cherry picking season in your neck of the woods.
    From the Joshman.
    Comparing the Federal RFRA and the Indiana RFRA | Josh Blackman's Blog

    Comparing the Federal RFRA and the Indiana RFRA | Josh Blackman's Blog
    Does the federal RFRA also provide a defense? It depends on what Circuit you’re in. Shruti Chaganti writes in the Virginia Law Review about this split.

    The circuits are split as to whether RFRA can be claimed as a defense in citizen suits
    —suits solely between private citizens in which the government is not a party. This split is based on an ambiguity in the text: whether the phrase “and obtain appropriate relief against a government” is meant to limit the set of cases in which a “claim or defense” may be raised in a judicial proceeding, or whether the phrase simply signifies an additional right upon which a litigant may rely.

    Some circuits (CA2, CA9, CA8, CADC) hold that RFRA can be raised as a defense:

    Some circuits (hereinafter “defense circuits”) have allowed RFRA to provide a defense in citizen suits, finding the statute’s language and purpose sufficiently broad to create a defense regardless of the parties to the suit.7 Under this reading, an unambiguous version of the text would be modified to say, “A person whose religious exercise has been burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding and may obtain appropriate relief (including against a government).”8 This reading makes clear that relief against a government is merely an additional right—a subset of the more generally obtainable relief under RFRA. Thus, “claim or defense in a judicial proceeding” is freestanding and not limited by the “obtain relief” phrasing.
    In Indiana gays have no legal protections from discrimination as they do in other States. Rather Cro magnoesue IMHO.

    Answering five questions about Indiana’s new discrimination law - The Washington Post

    Maybe. Indiana law on discrimination creates certain protected classes. You can’t discriminate against someone because of their race, their religion, their gender, and so on. But sexual orientation isn’t on that list, so it’s already legal to discriminate against gay people in much of the state. Some cities and counties in the state have passed their own local anti-discrimination laws, and it’s really these that are where the question comes in. Whether this law overrules them comes down to how courts would interpret the legislation’s language.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) its not a joining since theirs is different
    2.) the law already gives me the same equal consideration when it comes to civil mattters

    Well then coming up with one. As several states aren't the same.

    Pence again put it in the perspective it is.....today.




    Pence on RFRA: "This Law Does Not Give Anyone A License To Discriminate".....


    “This legislation was designed to ensure the vitality of religious liberty in the Hoosier State,” he continued. “But clearly, there’s been misunderstanding and confusion and mischaracterization of this law. And I come before you today to say how we’re going to address that.”

    “The Religious Freedom Restoration Act was about religious liberty, not about discrimination,” he said. “As I said last week, had this law been about legalizing discrimination I would have vetoed it. This law does not give anyone a license to discriminate. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Indiana does not give anyone the right to deny services to anyone.” “I don’t believe for a minute that it was the intention of the general assembly to create a license to discriminate or a right to deny services to gays, lesbians, or anyone else," he added. “But I can appreciate that’s become the perception, not just here in Indiana, but all across this country and we need to confront that."

    “I’ve come to the conclusion that it would be helpful to move legislation this week that makes it clear that this law does not give businesses a right to deny services to anyone,” he said, urging state lawmakers to act as soon as possible. “ We want to make it clear that Indiana is open for business. We want to make it clear that Hoosier hospitality is not a slogan, it’s a way of life.”.....snip~

    Pence on RFRA: "This Law Does Not Give Anyone A License To Discriminate" - Daniel Doherty

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    what would happen if a Muslim or Jewish bakery refused to make a cake for a gay wedding? one thing I know for certain: the liberal "outrage"(remember when it took EFFORT to be outraged? those were the days) would not be nearly as hyperbolic. The gays have a problem with the EVIL CHRISTIANS only, for reasons only a certified psychiatrist could explain.

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