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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    what does any of that have to do with your question about the national RFRA and the Illinois version then? oh thats right it doesnt lol
    Both discriminate, against gays-correct?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by hosh.24 View Post
    Be it what you are, would you not be a tad bit angry if your favorite restaurant decided they would no longer serve you because of what/who you are?
    I could not care less, in most situations, if someone did not want my business.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It is new.....Indiana didn't have the RFRA. So they joined other states that had it to.

    Do you own a religious business? If you do.....it looks like this law will give you the same equal consideration when it comes to civil matters.
    Dunno, but here is what a legal scholar's analysis reveals.

    So the most controversial aspect of the Indiana law was endorsed by the Holder Justice Department. [Update: I should stress that at the time, DOJ limited the applicability of RFRA to “religious organizations,” such as Wheaton College. But following Hobby Lobby this position is no longer tenable.]

    There here we have it. Indiana, as well as Arizona’s RFRAs are very similar to the Federal RFRA. In contrast, Mississippi’s RFRA, which only requires a “burden,” not a “substantial” one, deviates significantly from the federal statute.

    I should stress–and this point was totally lost in the Indiana debate–that RFRA does not provide immunity. It only allows a defendant to raise a defense, which a finder of fact must consider, like any other defense that can be raised under Title VII or the ADA. RFRA is *not* a blank check to discriminate.
    Comparing the Federal RFRA and the Indiana RFRA | Josh Blackman's Blog

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    I'll go with what Josh here says, in that it's more similar to the federal statute than not.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I could not care less, in most situations, if someone did not want my business.
    "...in most situations..." Could you expand on what you mean by this?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by hosh.24 View Post
    Before you begin attacking my opinion would you please answer the question I posed early: Would you not be the least bit angry if you were denied access/service based on what or who you are?
    Why would it matter if I was angry? What basis is anger for anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why would it matter if I was angry? What basis is anger for anything?
    Would you not feel offended, would you not feel the need for change? Or would you allow your rights as a human being to be taken from you?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by hosh.24 View Post
    Would you not feel offended, would you not feel the need for change?
    Why would it matter if I'm offended? What grounds do I have to do anything about it?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by hosh.24 View Post
    Before you begin attacking my opinion would you please answer the question I posed early: Would you not be the least bit angry if you were denied access/service based on what or who you are?


    Should this Christian man be angry?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why would it matter if I'm offended? What grounds do I have to do anything about it?
    What do you mean "what grounds"? As a human being you have the right to stand up for the rights you were given at birth. Would you really stand by and have those rights taken away from you without a fight?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by hosh.24 View Post
    What do you mean "what grounds"? As a human being you have the right to stand up for the rights you were given at birth. Would you really stand by and have those rights taken away from you without a fight?
    What rights are being taken away from me? The business decided they didn't want to trade with me, which is entirely in their rights to do.

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