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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Indiana Governor Asks For Changes In Religious Freedom Law



    It will be interesting to see just how Indiana's legislators go about renovating their RFRA law.
    Especially without discriminating against religious practice and conscientious objection.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by hosh.24 View Post
    This is obviously a very controversial topic. And there are obviously many varying opinions. But, based on the fact that this bill will give business owners the right to deny service to pretty much anyone they choose under the basis of "religious freedom" they could deny service to African-Americans, Americans, Heterosexuals, males, and females, etc. Now I think we can all agree that people who fall under the above mentioned ethnicities, sexual orientations, and genders would have a hissy fit if they were denied access/service. Be it what you are, would you not be a tad bit angry if your favorite restaurant decided they would no longer serve you because of what/who you are?
    Call us when that happens, until then let's not spin on what ifs. And sexual orientation is not a protected class in the majority of states.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So who told you that the entire text of the Bible is Jesus word.

    You said you have been an atheist since your early teens, I doubt you absorbed much and certainly, from your posts, never studied context and meaning. And clearly you have a very distorted view of it's intent. I sense some family resentments here.
    With all due respect, please don't play psychologist in the matter. And I've been exposed to religion in one way or another most of my life. I feel very comfortable with my being an atheist. At least as much as you might as a theist.

    Back to the topic.

    Ummmmm...I think it's a fairly new member in which I disagreed with the post below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post

    Yes. All the words of the Bible are the words of Jesus
    And John posted some scriptures which basically quoted Jesus as saying that he was with god prior to Abraham...or something to that effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post

    Jesus said "before Abraham was I AM". To know what that meant to His contemporaries, look at the response from His hearers. Note the context at the end of verse 53. Then the response verse 59; the response of stoning is punishment for blasphemy, claiming to pre exist Abraham and using a reference to the omnipresent (I AM).

    John 8: 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’[a] 55 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[b] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
    Then he later posted the following:

    Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post

    I actually agree with the sentiment of your objection, I just wanted you to see where the other poster's attitude on the subject was coming from.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Call us when that happens, until then let's not spin on what ifs. And sexual orientation is not a protected class in the majority of states.
    Sexual orientation is more protected than religious belief and practice in the case of gay marriage, it would appear. It goes so far that the state is allowed to discriminate against a citizen and put her out of business, if she as an individual does not want to participate in religiously forbidden rites.That is pretty heavy.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    With all due respect, please don't play psychologist in the matter. And I've been exposed to religion in one way or another most of my life. I feel very comfortable with my being an atheist. At least as much as you might as a theist.

    Back to the topic.

    Ummmmm...I think it's a fairly new member in which I disagreed with the post below:



    And John posted some scriptures which basically quoted Jesus as saying that he was with god prior to Abraham...or something to that effect.



    Then he later posted the following:


    A self proclaimed atheist who has studied the Bible "most of my life"........

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    A self proclaimed atheist who has studied the Bible "most of my life"........

    have a good day
    Thanks.

    Wait a sec...

    So you're not a self-proclaimed theist because you've read the bible...and assume it's truth? And that my less than active participation in a religion and reading a bible makes me a "self-proclaimed atheist?

    Come on F and L...seriously? You find my lack of beliefs in your religion offensive to you?

    I really don't care what you want to believe. It's no bearing on my life.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    fyi I never said it was. Obama rejected gays from being married until just a few years ago when it was politically expedient.
    He even voted to restrict it in his home state.

    Its a stunning dichotomy.
    what does any of that have to do with your question about the national RFRA and the Illinois version then? oh thats right it doesnt lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Call us when that happens, until then let's not spin on what ifs. And sexual orientation is not a protected class in the majority of states.
    Before you begin attacking my opinion would you please answer the question I posed early: Would you not be the least bit angry if you were denied access/service based on what or who you are?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    1.)It is new.....Indiana didn't have the RFRA. So they joined other states that had it to.
    2.)Do you own a religious business? If you do.....it looks like this law will give you the same equal consideration when it comes to civil matters.
    1.) its not a joining since theirs is different
    2.) the law already gives me the same equal consideration when it comes to civil mattters
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Indiana Governor Asks For Changes In Religious Freedom Law



    It will be interesting to see just how Indiana's legislators go about renovating their RFRA law.
    very interesting
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