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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    not failing for and destroying the opinions and falsehoods you push as facts but cant back up?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    legality is fleeting

    slavery was found to be legal once.
    True
    For a country that values rights, why do we see this issue on a constant basis?
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    True
    For a country that values rights, why do we see this issue on a constant basis?
    Does this country actually value rights?

    This thread indicates otherwise.

    People seem to value power more than rights. This entire thread is about gaining power over a person, not about rights.

    Should we have the power to dictate what a DR does? A baker?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Even clubs are forced to accept in people they don't want to accept in. Look at all male golf clubs for an example of that.
    As I understand it, and assuming state laws don't prohibit it, private clubs including golf clubs can discriminate all they want, but in most cases in this era, they're just denied tax benefits when they do.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)its not under attack in any fashion at all, claims that those will never bee taken seriously by educated, honest and objective people
    2.) 100% dishonesty, there was no force
    So assessing a business a bankrupting sized fine isn't force?

    Christian bakers fined up to $150,000 for refusing to bake same-sex ‘wedding’ cake
    Christian Bakers Who Refused to Make Cake for Lesbian Wedding Found Guilty of Discrimination; Will Have to Pay Up to $150K
    Christian bakers face government wrath for refusing to make cake for gay wedding | Fox News
    Bakers Who Refused to Make Wedding Cake for a Lesbian Couple Could Be Hit With a Massive Fine After Being Found Guilty of Discrimination | TheBlaze.com
    Bakery risks large fine for anti-gay discrimination

    I disagree. It's using the force associated with the barrel of the government gun stuck to the head of these christian bakers.

    Frankly, it seems, somehow, that this is government overreach and forced social engineering, rather than letting the bigotry of the past just fade away on it's own, of it's own accord.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    As I understand it, and assuming state laws don't prohibit it, private clubs including golf clubs can discriminate all they want, but in most cases in this era, they're just denied tax benefits when they do.
    So the state still punishes them. That is all I needed to make my point. Thank you.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Does this country actually value rights?

    This thread indicates otherwise.

    People seem to value power more than rights. This entire thread is about gaining power over a person, not about rights.

    Should we have the power to dictate what a DR does? A baker?
    They have the right not to enter into a business.
    They do not have the right to discriminate in business.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So assessing a business a bankrupting sized fine isn't force?

    Christian bakers fined up to $150,000 for refusing to bake same-sex ‘wedding’ cake
    Christian Bakers Who Refused to Make Cake for Lesbian Wedding Found Guilty of Discrimination; Will Have to Pay Up to $150K
    Christian bakers face government wrath for refusing to make cake for gay wedding | Fox News
    Bakers Who Refused to Make Wedding Cake for a Lesbian Couple Could Be Hit With a Massive Fine After Being Found Guilty of Discrimination | TheBlaze.com
    Bakery risks large fine for anti-gay discrimination

    I disagree. It's using the force associated with the barrel of the government gun stuck to the head of these christian bakers.

    Frankly, it seems, somehow, that this is government overreach and forced social engineering, rather than letting the bigotry of the past just fade away on it's own, of it's own accord.
    That bakery has not been assessed a fine. It went out of business because its' owners are stupid bigots.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    1.)So assessing a business a bankrupting sized fine isn't force?

    Christian bakers fined up to $150,000 for refusing to bake same-sex ‘wedding’ cake
    Christian Bakers Who Refused to Make Cake for Lesbian Wedding Found Guilty of Discrimination; Will Have to Pay Up to $150K
    Christian bakers face government wrath for refusing to make cake for gay wedding | Fox News
    Bakers Who Refused to Make Wedding Cake for a Lesbian Couple Could Be Hit With a Massive Fine After Being Found Guilty of Discrimination | TheBlaze.com
    Bakery risks large fine for anti-gay discrimination
    2.)I disagree. It's using the force associated with the barrel of the government gun stuck to the head of these christian bakers.
    3.)Frankly, it seems, somehow, that this is government overreach and forced social engineering, rather than letting the bigotry of the past just fade away on it's own, of it's own accord.
    1.) no its not because those people CHOOSE to break the law and become criminals
    they forced themselves out of business

    Im a christian and i would have to be a complete moron to choose to break the law and infringe on the rights of others and think i get special treatment

    simple solution . . dont choose to break the law and become criminals

    I mean hey if you want to use some subjective definition of force the same way rape laws are force then fine but there is no force to do business with gays and thank you for posting all those links proving that.

    2.) disagree all you want, they forced themselves out, thier choice to be criminals

    3.) you can feel that way but its simply a protection of equal rights and its spreading
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Why should your business benefit from the roads, sewer system, electricity grid, garbage pickup, etc. that a gay citizen paid taxes to provide his/her community if you're going to use that infrastructure to deny him/her access to your business? Should a gay citizen be able to decide, using your logic, that no religious bigots get to use the municipalities infrastructure to operate a business?
    Why should I be required to pay for the public school system when I don't use it? We are all part of a single country and we all live with the mores of society and the laws. I hate the concept of government telling private businesses that they cannot refuse to deal with customers with which they do not wish to do business. It is no different than telling consumers they must patronize a particular business.

    As an example, I don't buy Levi Jeans because I don't like the company's politics. That is my preference. Since there are other sources for jeans I'm fine. I can exercise my freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to photograph gay people or any other people, he should have the same freedom of choice. The gay people can give their business to a more sensible photographer. They have the same freedom of choice. I can buy jeans from whom I want and lose nothing in the process. The gay people can find another photographer and probably end up with better photographs made by someone who values their business.

    I'll give you another example. I was fired as a customer and banned by Paypal because they didn't like some of the products I sell on my web sites. I wasn't willing to drop the products but I did drop Paypal as a payment method at their insistence. That wasn't good enough for them. Apparently they wanted to punish me for refusing to bend to their will. I think it was stupid business to close my account because they couldn't regulate what I sell but I viewed it as their right. I don't have a right to use their service and they have no requirement to do business with me. I didn't complain or sue anybody, I just moved on with my life. The gay people should have moved on and found another photographer.

    To me it is beyond the role of government to dictate who businesses or customers people must choose to patronize or accept as a customer. Bringing up nonsense about roads and government services is a pretty empty argument in my view. The photographer pays for these things with taxes just like the gay people.

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