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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I might be uninformed by choice. I'm atheist. Have been since early teens. That was back before dirt was invented.

    I'd like to see how many other Christians subscribe to the argument that the entire text of the bible is the words of "Jesus".

    Thanks for taking the time to present your argument.


    I have never known any Christian ever say the entire test of the Bible is the words of Jesus.

    As usual, atheists have no idea what is the Bible, you probably think it is a book.

    BTW, "the word of God" is from the original Greek. It does not mean every word is spoken by God, but rather it information, "word" of or about God.

    The Bible is available in over 2,000 languages and dialects, is the single best selling book every year and can be had free simply by walking into any church, and yet the all knowing atheist community has never bothered to even read it let alone study a commentary about the customs and traditions that shape the stories so that, like any history student, can put words in proper perspective.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I have never known any Christian ever say the entire test of the Bible is the words of Jesus.

    As usual, atheists have no idea what is the Bible, you probably think it is a book.

    BTW, "the word of God" is from the original Greek. It does not mean every word is spoken by God, but rather it information, "word" of or about God.

    The Bible is available in over 2,000 languages and dialects, is the single best selling book every year and can be had free simply by walking into any church, and yet the all knowing atheist community has never bothered to even read it let alone study a commentary about the customs and traditions that shape the stories so that, like any history student, can put words in proper perspective.
    I wasn't raised in an atheist home. I was raised by my grandparent who insisted in my reading it. But I found it to be less than believable. That's all.

    But I don't think that allowing business to operate around their religious beliefs should be supported.

    I hope those bigoted business crash...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    fyi
    national =/= Illinois =/= Indiana version
    fyi I never said it was. Obama rejected gays from being married until just a few years ago when it was politically expedient.
    He even voted to restrict it in his home state.

    Its a stunning dichotomy.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) sorry but no it doesnt it any fashion, it gives an opinion of what that person thinks the design is and should help but it in no was proves its not a way to make once illegal discrimination legal. Theres nothing in there that even comes close. ANd theres also nothing in there that doesnt already exist now but is more clearly defined.
    2.) correct a NEW consideration that could now make illegal discrimination legal
    3.) who is also just giving his opinion and doesnt mention anything that changes the fact there is a new avenue to make one illegal discrimination legal
    4.) theres nothing to fall for, it is what it is and its a new avenue to make once illegal discrimination legal, if its not that then its not needed
    5.) the faux outrage is legit concern, especially when its different than other BILLS of the same name /nature and some of the clarification in those bills was rejected . . .that alone makes it very logical to be concerned over this.

    I guess ill just stick to my original question that hasnt been answered.

    As a christian what does this do for me that isnt already done by the constitution and anti-discrimination laws


    It is new.....Indiana didn't have the RFRA. So they joined other states that had it to.

    Do you own a religious business? If you do.....it looks like this law will give you the same equal consideration when it comes to civil matters.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I wasn't raised in an atheist home. I was raised by my grandparent who insisted in my reading it. But I found it to be less than believable. That's all.

    But I don't think that allowing business to operate around their religious beliefs should be supported.

    I hope those bigoted business crash...

    So who told you that the entire text of the Bible is Jesus word.

    You said you have been an atheist since your early teens, I doubt you absorbed much and certainly, from your posts, never studied context and meaning. And clearly you have a very distorted view of it's intent. I sense some family resentments here.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    It was that wretched Hobby Lobby decision was Indiana's guiding force in feeling it was A-Otay to discriminate against people.

    Ginsburg was right when she said it would create havoc -- giving the green light for states to write RFRA's like this.

    "The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield." she said

    Also, too: "Although the Court attempts to cabin its language to closely held corporations, its logic extends to corporations of any size, public or private. Little doubt that RFRA claims will proliferate." -Ginsburg

    Bingo, she hit it on the head.

    The HL decision specifically dealt with "closely held corporations."

    This Indiana law? Nope. Even major Corps, not in any way "closely held" are included.

    Maybe some are beginning to understand why so many people / companies / even cities and now even an entire state (Conn., for example) ( banning travel to Indiana for its state / city employees) have a problem with this law.
    So the expansion of freedom is a problem?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Shhh. If you listen, you can hear the free market speaking regarding Indiana's religion-based discrimination law.
    Is this argument supposed to support your position? If the free market is opposed to discrimination then exactly why do we need your laws in the first place?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    This is obviously a very controversial topic. And there are obviously many varying opinions. But, based on the fact that this bill will give business owners the right to deny service to pretty much anyone they choose under the basis of "religious freedom" they could deny service to African-Americans, Americans, Heterosexuals, males, and females, etc. Now I think we can all agree that people who fall under the above mentioned ethnicities, sexual orientations, and genders would have a hissy fit if they were denied access/service. Be it what you are, would you not be a tad bit angry if your favorite restaurant decided they would no longer serve you because of what/who you are?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Indiana Governor Asks For Changes In Religious Freedom Law

    March 31, 2015

    Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana said Tuesday he had asked lawmakers to change the state's religious freedom law to make it clear that businesses cannot discriminate against gays and lesbians. He asked lawmakers to pass legislation that would be on his desk by the end of the week.
    It will be interesting to see just how Indiana's legislators go about renovating their RFRA law.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Agreed, they are really making asses of themselves on this topic
    Yes, yes, the side supporting liberty is making an ass of themselves. Yes, the side wanting to force people to serve others can't possibly be the ass by default.

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