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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    I want to be your new neighbor....
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Very few people accept all the tenets/beliefs of their religion. And many religions change over time. So it would be a very lonely religion if it were only those who followed it or believed it completely.
    As they say...Hell ain't half full.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't see that claim coming from anybody who knows about the old testament - besides you and Blemonds.

    In all of my short life, Blemonds is the first person I've ever seen or heard make that claim. So now you've supported it. Not sure that the scriptures you posted actually says that all the words in the bible or from Jesus. It just says that Jesus claimed he was with god or knew god prior to Abraham. What you're implying from your scriptures is related to a belief associated with Trinity. So be it. Personally, I don't really care what scriptures say that you choose to post. I'm not a subscriber.

    However, I'm pretty sure that one saying "Jesus" was the inspirer of everything written in the bible...is not going to be agreeable with everybody.

    So henceforth, every time someone says, "the bible was an inspiration of god - who actually penned the bible using man - I'll send'em your way for clarification. How's that?
    No. I already said I agreed with your objection, and your stated idea of biblical interpretation. Many equate the person of Christ with "The Word", which is "in the beginning" and "was with God" and "Was God", taking the leap that the bible also = "The Word"... I disagree with that as I believe there is a distinction. How ever you are really uninformed of the role of Jesus in the old testament. Look up old testament Christophany.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Morning MMC

    well i can post links saying why its not needed and or why there should be an exclamation . . I asked you based on the logic you provided

    secondly anything that starts of as saying "lefts hysteria, rights hysteria etc i instantly cant take as objective, honest and non biased, why would I.
    Lastley theres nothign in there that actually tells me why these things are needed or as a christian since my rights are already fully protected by the constitution, anti-discrimination laws and many other things, if i lived in Indiana what would this bill do for me that those things dont already do?

    the legal standard already exists, the way the law is now is pretty clear for the most part
    and his claim that its anything but a license to discriminate has already been proven false by one simple example.

    before under illegal discrimination laws it was illegal for all to discriminate based on a defined criteria . . . .now you COULD possible illegal discriminate based on feelings and its not illegal anymore

    that in fact does seem like its a license to discriminate and if the argument is this doesnt change anything im again back to my original question, why is it actually needed.

    Theres nothing in the explanation above that says what it does for me as a chrsitian that isnt already done. The "guidance" isnt needed as its already clear cut, by desing this will make it more complected. Before the bill it was clear what illegal discrimination was . . . . now . . . theres great potential for us not to know.


    Yeah you did.....and that link explains what I was saying about the law and that it didn't discriminate. That it was designed to give religious businesses the consideration they can validate.

    Naturally coming from a Right leaning Source they will lay it on like that. But if you wanted you could have checked out the link to the USA article where you would not have that type of rhetoric. Then you are stuck with nothing but someone from the left and who is in the State if Indiana and is a Law Professor.


    So again I not falling for well this might or could be.

    Moreover.....due to all this faux outrage. Pence and Indiana will rewrite it for clarification.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Very few people accept all the tenets/beliefs of their religion. And many religions change over time. So it would be a very lonely religion if it were only those who followed it or believed it completely.
    That only sounds true because we're used to being surrounded by weak-ass humanists. For example, Mormons. Hell, we as a nation even tried to get rid of them all, to purge them at one point, and they're still here. Believing the same things they did when Joseph Smith rolled the religion.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    No. I already said I agreed with your objection, and your stated idea of biblical interpretation. Many equate the person of Christ with "The Word", which is "in the beginning" and "was with God" and "Was God", taking the leap that the bible also = "The Word"... I disagree with that as I believe there is a distinction. How ever you are really uninformed of the role of Jesus in the old testament. Look up old testament Christophany.
    I might be uninformed by choice. I'm atheist. Have been since early teens. That was back before dirt was invented.

    I'd like to see how many other Christians subscribe to the argument that the entire text of the bible is the words of "Jesus".

    Thanks for taking the time to present your argument.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    1.)Yeah you did.....and that link explains what I was saying about the law and that it didn't discriminate.
    2.) That it was designed to give religious businesses the consideration they can validate.
    3.) Naturally coming from a Right leaning Source they will lay it on like that. But if you wanted you could have checked out the link to the USA article where you would not have that type of rhetoric. Then you are stuck with nothing but someone from the left and who is in the State if Indiana and is a Law Professor.
    4.)So again I not falling for well this might or could be.
    5.)Moreover.....due to all this faux outrage. Pence and Indiana will rewrite it for clarification.

    1.) sorry but no it doesnt it any fashion, it gives an opinion of what that person thinks the design is and should help but it in no was proves its not a way to make once illegal discrimination legal. Theres nothing in there that even comes close. ANd theres also nothing in there that doesnt already exist now but is more clearly defined.
    2.) correct a NEW consideration that could now make illegal discrimination legal
    3.) who is also just giving his opinion and doesnt mention anything that changes the fact there is a new avenue to make one illegal discrimination legal
    4.) theres nothing to fall for, it is what it is and its a new avenue to make once illegal discrimination legal, if its not that then its not needed
    5.) the faux outrage is legit concern, especially when its different than other BILLS of the same name /nature and some of the clarification in those bills was rejected . . .that alone makes it very logical to be concerned over this.

    I guess ill just stick to my original question that hasnt been answered.

    As a christian what does this do for me that isnt already done by the constitution and anti-discrimination laws
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    There you go again.
    Arrogant, irritating, killing off what might be a good discussion and just so full of yourself, beyond all reason to be so.
    No surprise from someone who's tag line is "I'm kind of a big deal"

    Well, guess what. You're not.

    Conversation terminated. Expect no further responses.
    again the dodge is noted and I accept the concession
    also the line is from a movie, a comedy, so again that strawman like the dodge and personal attack all completely fail
    facts win again
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Question: When Ted Kennedy wrote the national RFRA, was he a bigot or just being a political hack?

    How about Bill Clinton for signing it?

    Or when Obama voted for the same law in Illinois. Was he a bigot, too?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Question: When Ted Kennedy wrote the national RFRA, was he a bigot or just being a political hack?

    How about Bill Clinton for signing it?

    Or when Obama voted for the same law in Illinois. Was he a bigot, too?

    fyi
    national =/= Illinois =/= Indiana version
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