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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Actually, neither do you. Yet you do. You've decided that no religion teaches its members that being gay isn't right. You keep saying it's only people's personal views and has nothing to do with their religion.
    I didn't that religions didn't teach that, some religions or at least leaders of some religions do teach that. But the person chooses to accept that teaching. Many people reject parts of their religion's teachings, while still maintaining the major tenets or most of them of that religion.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Just because you fell for the rhetoric doesn't mean it was right. This is part of the Great falling away.
    This is part of you not wanting to accept that people are different and believe different things even if they are considered part of the same religion.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Because there is a Constitution and the Civil Rights act. You didn't think because they had nothing specific that they still wouldn't follow the law, did you?
    wouldnt that same answer apply to saying theres no need for the RFRA in the first place then?

    My rights as a christian are already fully protected by the constitution, anti-discrimination laws and many other things, if i lived in Indiana what would this bill do for me that those things dont already do?

    just like your point, the constitution and civils rights act exist so you are saying theres no need to add the part that prohibits discrimination based on gender-identity and sexual-orientation so why have the RFRA. you feel its not needed. SO same
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Look at all the shouting the left end is doing over this law. I guess they must be wrong. In fact, I'm sure of it.
    This law is not comparable to other states that have similar laws.
    Discrimination is discrimination under the guise of Religious rights.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Okay, I will.

    That should be legal.

    I certainly don't approve of it, but there is no rational basis whatsover to compel them to give custom.

    It is worth noting that during the time of Jim Crow laws commonly made such discrimination mandatory - that is equally unacceptable intrusion into the property rights of a business owner.


    The free market is a voluntary exchange of goods, services, and property. The government has no business interfering with such voluntary exchanges.
    My understanding is that there is a similar statute protecting religious values on the Federal level for federal employees and also that twenty-five states have similar statutes. It also doesn't cover civil liabilities and only restricts government's authority for use the power of government to make business owners act in ways in opposition to their religious values. I think the statute reinforces the first amendment and helps define the separation of church and state.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wouldnt that same answer apply to saying theres no need for the RFRA in the first place then?

    My rights as a christian are already fully protected by the constitution, anti-discrimination laws and many other things, if i lived in Indiana what would this bill do for me that those things dont already do?

    just like your point, the constitution and civils rights act exist so you are saying theres no need to add the part that prohibits discrimination based on gender-identity and sexual-orientation so why have the RFRA. you feel its not needed. SO same
    Mornin AJ From Post 1957 the Pro Gay Rights Attorney and Law professor explained it out as to why Indiana needed it.



    To further quell the left's hysteria over this law, here is a pro-gay rights law professor, Daniel O. Conkle, writing for USA Today on why Indiana needs RFRA. I am a supporter of gay rights, including same-sex marriage. But as an informed legal scholar, I also support the proposed Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). How can this be?


    The bill would establish a general legal standard, the "compelling interest" test, for evaluating laws and governmental practices that impose substantial burdens on the exercise of religion. This same test already governs federal law under the federal RFRA, which was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. And some 30 states have adopted the same standard, either under state-law RFRAs or as a matter of state constitutional law. Applying this test, a unanimous U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that a Muslim prisoner was free to practice his faith by wearing a half-inch beard that posed no risk to prison security. Likewise, in a 2012 decision, a court ruled that the Pennsylvania RFRA protected the outreach ministry of a group of Philadelphia churches, ruling that the city could not bar them from feeding homeless individuals in the city parks. If the Indiana RFRA is adopted, this same general approach will govern religious freedom claims of all sorts, thus protecting religious believers of all faiths by granting them precisely the same consideration. But granting religious believers legal consideration does not mean that their religious objections will always be upheld.

    In any event, most religious freedom claims have nothing to do with same-sex marriage or discrimination. The proposed Indiana RFRA would provide valuable guidance to Indiana courts, directing them to balance religious freedom against competing interests under the same legal standard that applies throughout most of the land. It is anything but a "license to discriminate," and it should not be mischaracterized or dismissed on that basis......snip~

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wouldnt that same answer apply to saying theres no need for the RFRA in the first place then?

    My rights as a christian are already fully protected by the constitution, anti-discrimination laws and many other things, if i lived in Indiana what would this bill do for me that those things dont already do?

    just like your point, the constitution and civils rights act exist so you are saying theres no need to add the part that prohibits discrimination based on gender-identity and sexual-orientation so why have the RFRA. you feel its not needed. SO same
    RFRA is needed to protect citizens from government laws that are not necessarily religious in nature, but significantly burden a religious practice. Indiana's law added additional protection from civil suits.

    Does it offer carte blanche to do whatever you want in the name of religion? Not in the least bit, as it only provides you with defense option to be weighed by the courts.
    Last edited by Samhain; 03-31-15 at 10:39 AM.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Maybe you would feel more comfortable living somewhere other than TX.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Shhh. If you listen, you can hear the free market speaking regarding Indiana's religion-based discrimination law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That correlates to indoctrination, not intelligence
    Like I said....you guys have no answer to counter the fact that the higher educated one is correlates directly with the political spectrum of "liberal". So when you don't have an answer...your only reply is "Its those gosh darn liberal colleges them liberals are all attendin"

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