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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The commerce clause deals with trade between states, not trade between businesses and consumers across state lines.
    This is completely absurd. States do not engage in trade. The commerce clause is about regulating trade that takes place across multiple states because it would be inappropriate for any state to make laws governing trade over one another, and to avoid having to constantly decide which state's laws held sway. You have no idea how American law works, do you?

    Also, considering that anti-discrimination laws affect trade within states that entire excuse of yours doesn't work even if you were right on the powers granted by the commerce clause.
    As I said, even a small business that only sells its products and services to a small down uses and benefits from interstate commerce. Commerce simply doesn't occur on the same small scale that it could in 1789.

    If you ever took the time to notice all the members listed in the commerce clause are governments and that wasn't by mistake.
    The commerce clause does not list members. As above, I don't think you have any idea how our laws or our governments actually work.

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    Neither are hajibs or wedding rings, but boot a person out for wearing either and you're in hot water. Same. Exact. Thing.

    Well no, I'm not, if I can be removed for doing nothing harmful or illegal to anyone at all.
    I have no interest in listening to you whine about gun rights, but keep in mind that it is not illegal to shout at everyone in a business, either, and you would rightfully be thrown out if you were doing that. Just because something isn't against the law doesn't mean you should actually be doing it.

    Which amendment covers horses?
    The ninth. The same one that covers coffee, sweaters, and basically every other thing you do that isn't expression. The ninth exists basically for the sole purpose of telling people, in the words of the Georgia delegation at the constitutional convention "If we list a set of rights, some fools in the future are going to claim that people are entitled only to those rights enumerated and no others." Congratulations on being foreseen by some of the founders.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    1.)wasted enough time with you.
    2.)"rights" change. to own a slave was once a right.
    3.) some time in the future, the do-gooders like you will probably make it illegal to discriminate in who you date.
    1.) I agree you pushing opinions and falsehoods as fact is a waste of time for you because ill never buy it, I accept your concession
    2.) it was never right to own slaves LMAO
    3.) nope people like me will simply protect equal rights and the constitution and apply it to ALL OF US, not try to give people special treatment and allow them to infringe on the rights of others
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Oh how nice. I see you drug out an old picture of Democrats in action. How nice. Thanks for that.
    Have anything to say about the OP and the subject of the thread?

    Or are you just too busy playing hack?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This is completely absurd. States do not engage in trade. The commerce clause is about regulating trade that takes place across multiple states because it would be inappropriate for any state to make laws governing trade over one another, and to avoid having to constantly decide which state's laws held sway. You have no idea how American law works, do you?
    So you admit that it deals with states and their relationship with trade, not with trade between consumer and business. Good to know. What would that little factoid mean? Oh right, that the government has the power to tell states what to do, not business or consumers.

    As I said, even a small business that only sells its products and services to a small down uses and benefits from interstate commerce. Commerce simply doesn't occur on the same small scale that it could in 1789.
    Benefiting from some other trade has nothing to do with the power to regulate the trade in question. Try again.

    The commerce clause does not list members. As above, I don't think you have any idea how our laws or our governments actually work.
    Yes, yes, it does. All those groups mentioned are governments.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The only difference between the two is a license with terms set by the government. The government could easily apply the same terms to home ownership.
    Yes, a license to engage in business with the PUBLIC, and that is a huge distinction.

    It's like saying the only difference between an apple and a dump truck is one of them grows on trees.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If that happens I bet it's not that far in the future.
    if a persons understanding of rights is completely dependent on if you are an employee or employer, you should go sit on the sidelines and let the grown-ups talk.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I have no interest in listening to you whine about gun rights, but keep in mind that it is not illegal to shout at everyone in a business, either, and you would rightfully be thrown out if you were doing that. Just because something isn't against the law doesn't mean you should actually be doing it.
    Shouting is a disturbance to your business, a harm. Being gay is not a disturbance or harm to your business, nor is a legally armed citizen, or being married, or being black.

    You never answered my question about the horse, which amendment was it? Never-mind, you know that was just a stupid thing to say, because bringing a horse into a business can damage your business, a harm.

    Please continue offering examples that further prove my argument.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    if a persons understand of rights is completely dependent on if you are an employee or empoyer, you should go sit on the sidelines and let the grown-ups talk.
    Who is doing that? No one.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who is doing that? No one.
    Agent J is doing that

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    No, I don't think it's that easy. The fact a municipal ordinance or state law exists, by itself, does not make what it requires or prohibits lawful. Like every other law in the U.S., it has to comply with the Constitution. A local ordinance that prohibited everyone in that jurisdiction from possessing a firearm, for example, could not be enforced. And the same goes for state public accommodations laws. In the Dale case, the Supreme Court held a New Jersey law that prohibited a chapter of the Boy Scouts from revoking the membership of a homosexual scoutmaster, on the ground that the Boy Scouts were a public accommodation that was discriminating against the scoutmaster because of his sexual orientation, was invalid because it violated the freedom of expressive association guaranteed by the First Amendment.
    That's because the Boy Scouts are an expressive organization.

    Most for profit businesses open to the public are not expressive orgs
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