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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    there are none, just like there are no laws forcing a baker to make cakes for gays, nor is that the discussion and thats exactly my point, thank you lol
    I didn't say "force" I said compel. Try again.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree and those rights already exist and are protected, this has nothing to do with them.
    that right is under attack and is not protected. bakeries have been forced to go out of business, so have day care centers.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    better yes, serve anyone you wish to serve, but don't take public funds doing it.
    Open a private club and accept dues, discriminate away.
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    this isn't a religious issue at all. We have freedom to have really bad ideas, and to live by those really bad ideas.
    I agree 100% thats why people claiming this is about religious freedom are full of **** and its just a clock to hide thier bigotry
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It is a religious issue. The original intent was to protect Native American religious practices (i.e. sacred burial grounds, smoking peyote, etc)
    this law would protect atheists as well.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Open a private club and accept dues, discriminate away.
    Even clubs are forced to accept in people they don't want to accept in. Look at all male golf clubs for an example of that.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    no, it isn't. the bill protects people with a lack of a religious beliefs as well.
    its not protecting anybody, its infringing on others rights and why when push comes to shove it will completely fail and help solidify equal rights, its awesome actually
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If I rob a bank, is the government discriminating against me by arresting me? As a contributing member of society, you agree to live by the laws of that society or suffer the consequences of non-compliance. The municipal government grants you a business license with the understanding that you've read and understand the rules for operating a business in that jurisdiction. If you fail to comply with those rules of operation, you put yourself in a position where your license may be suspended or voided. The government didn't discriminate and put different rules in place for you that are not in place for anyone else. It is you, the owner of the business, who is deciding some rules don't apply to you, for whatever reason. If you take that position, you actively bring on the potential of regulated punishment, just like if you robbed a bank. Don't want to suffer the consequences, don't do the crime. And if you're incapable of controlling your actions, maybe stay away from banks and/or owning a business that sells to the public.

    See how easy that is?
    No, I don't think it's that easy. The fact a municipal ordinance or state law exists, by itself, does not make what it requires or prohibits lawful. Like every other law in the U.S., it has to comply with the Constitution. A local ordinance that prohibited everyone in that jurisdiction from possessing a firearm, for example, could not be enforced. And the same goes for state public accommodations laws. In the Dale case, the Supreme Court held a New Jersey law that prohibited a chapter of the Boy Scouts from revoking the membership of a homosexual scoutmaster, on the ground that the Boy Scouts were a public accommodation that was discriminating against the scoutmaster because of his sexual orientation, was invalid because it violated the freedom of expressive association guaranteed by the First Amendment.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree 100% thats why people claiming this is about religious freedom are full of **** and its just a clock to hide thier bigotry
    practicing bigotry is a form of freedom.

    we don't need government to protect the freedoms that everyone agrees with, we need them to protect the ones that the majority would take from us. this is one of those.

    it really is that simple. We aren't solving a problem where services are being withheld at such a level that gay people can't get cakes, or dr visits.

    if the problem was actually at that level, I would have to reconsider if we need to take a step back from a freedom solution, but no such dilemma exists here.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its not protecting anybody, its infringing on others rights and why when push comes to shove it will completely fail and help solidify equal rights, its awesome actually
    you don't have a right to my service.

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