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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do you honestly believe that Jesus would condone the bigoted actions of the florist or the baker? If you honestly believe so, then you do not know the man.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, they offered to serve them, just without the swastikas. I see nothing in the aforementioned principle that suggests this would be inappropriate.
    But how is that converted to a legal principle that would guide other businesses? E.g. "I offered to serve the Muslim women if they just took off their head scarves..."

    I'm not committed either way, but if that's the worst case downside of the principle, I'm OK with it.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    No, of course I can't force a Jewish baker to do a Hitler cake for me ....but I might sue him or her for not. It's their choice. And a jury of peers can rule against me...or for me.

    But again, Peter, let's apply some common sense. Are KKK members - or say Storm Front members gonna line up to get a Jewish baker to bake a cake with Hitler on it? I'd say not unless they were purposely wanting to cause problems and that type of harassment is against the law.

    The cake for lesbians incident and the florist incident that became so exploited by media ...were much more isolated than the faux example I posted above.
    Common sense? Sorry, but when it comes to forcing a baker to do a special to order cake completely outside his regular repertoire of for sale cakes then this is for me totally down to artistic freedom. If someone then sues for such a reason that is a frivolous lawsuit and if it were down to me the one who makes such a lawsuit should pay for both his and the other sides legal cost plus a punitive fine for the business the company has lost due to that frivolous lawsuit. But that is just me.

    I may be very anti-discrimination on regular orders but when it comes to insane demands from a baker/other business then that company should be allowed to refuse such a service. Regular service from the regular book of stock items (or stock for that business) should not be allowed to fall under "artistic freedom". Now if that person wants kissing men on the top of that cake then a company can be allowed to refuse that part of the order, they do not sell that kind of a thing so there should be no reason to force them to do that.

    Sorry, but that is just how I feel.

    Hey, and if the KKK/Storm Front would come to my bakery (if I were a Jew or black) and would ask for a Hitler cake I would say that I would bake them but that this is a special order so I would make them a quotation for 10,000 dollars. I would make that cake but due to me not wanting to do that (and it being not a regular cake that I offer in my shop) then it is my freedom to ask what I want. I would have to hire another bakery, special staff for that day, fly in that staff, etc. etc. etc. for me to make such a cake, extra another 1,000 dollars for delivery (because I would have to fumigate and completely change the interior of the truck I would use to make such a delivery and hire the Black Panthers for security (or some Jewish organization like that). If they want to pay that then I will make them that cake (laughing my behind off while I order it at a bakery somewhere they do not have a problem making such a cake) and then laugh all the way down to the bank.

    They want to buy a specially created/artistically designed cake that I do not make or create, then they can pay extra for it (a lot extra if it were up to me).
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    and would he refuse to serve the person?
    As I said, it depends on the circumstances

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do you honestly believe that Jesus would condone the bigoted actions of the florist or the baker? If you honestly believe so, then you do not know the man.
    I don't believe the actions are bigoted and I believe He would indeed condone the actions of the florist and baker. He would not condone the homosexual behavior. Rather He would offer healing

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    You pointed it out several times yourself
    translation: it cant be done because the claim is a lie, thats what I thought, please let us know when you can do so, thank you
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm always reserved around those who claim to "know" Jesus.
    Its not hard to know the man if you read his work. The problem that most people who proclaim his name is that they are more interested in politics than emulating the life of the man that they claim to worship.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    I don't believe the actions are bigoted and I believe He would indeed condone the actions of the florist and baker. He would not condone the homosexual behavior. Rather He would offer healing
    If you actually believe that...then you need to study his life a little harder. You obviously know very little about his teachings.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: it cant be done because the claim is a lie, thats what I thought, please let us know when you can do so, thank you
    No translation was necessary. You pointed out your own self contradiction

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you actually believe that...then you need to study his life a little harder. You obviously know very little about his teachings.
    I know more than most, I'm sure. I certainly know He would not condone sin

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