I'm confused. According to you Christians in Indiana need a religious freedom law for the purpose of only practicing the parts of their religion they like. Christians in Indiana are not denying greedy people the right to purchase more crap they don't need, right? How about McMansions? Do Christian real estate agents refuse to sell people houses that people really don't need? You are telling me Indiana Christians support selling boats and vacation homes and diamond jewelry to people. Doesn't that directly contribute to the practice of envy? They don't have problems doing business and/or associating with prideful people either, huh? When fat people come rolling into a Christian owned restaurant in Indiana their business will not be refused...unless they are gay fat people.
What do you want to bet that almost all the churches that support Indiana's religious freedom law so that they can deny doing business with gay people in the Lord's name have vending machines full of sugary drinks and sugar laden snacks? Promoting and enabling gluttony for Jesus? That's OK. Right?
So we really aren't talking about the protection of a religion are we? We aren't even talking about most Christians. We are talking about a law that allows a small number of people practice pure hatred in the name of Christianity. I'd imagine most good Christians in Indiana feel raped.
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"When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf
Unfortunately, judges do have the final say on what the law is, and we are forced to live with that.
Fortunately, this is largely a state issue, which means the potential is there for states to serve as testbeds for different solutions, and perhaps something will arise that better addresses the concerns of all residents.I think if we assume anyone can go before a judge and say "He wouldn't serve me!", our already cluttered judicial system will get clogged even more with stupid suits. That's another issue I have with all of this and that's why I keep thinking, right or wrong, it has to be all or nothing. Today we're talking about religious beliefs and gay people. Tomorrow it could be that something entirely different.
I think it important to understand that businesses do in fact have the right to serve anyone they choose, but the government is infringing on this right in its own interest. That is, there is no true right to be served at places of public accommodation, it is a legal right conferred in good faith. As such, I have little compassion for those (like the neo Nazis) who would use it as a tool to make some political point or basically just to piss people off. If it ever gets to the point where there's a lot of this "let's hire the gay caterer to provide food for our I Hate Gays party" or yes - demanding that the Christian baker make the cake for your wedding when there's a half dozen other bakeries in the immediate area - I would certainly understand a lot of people wanting to walk back some of these laws.
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Guess they should have listened. Also, not a good plan to invite the dishonest right wing anti-SSM bill supporters to the bill signing if you're trying to distance the bill from the anti-SSM efforts. Too bad. Crying crocodile tears over here for Pence and the GOP legislature for having to endure "vicious" attacks because they're idiots who ignored the warnings and pandered to anti-SSM bigots.
It really comes down to that. States are exerting specific protections for competing liberties, and providing remedies in anticipation or preemption of challenges by gays, or anyone else that contradicts religions and conscientious objectors.
That about sums it up, and it only took 200 plus pages to get here.
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