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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Their "dishonest" critics believed the proponents of the bill. And they noticed that given the chance to clarify the law and make clear that it wouldn't allow for discrimination (as you claim) the legislature declined. Utah of all places did a fine job of coming to a compromise. Indiana gave everyone the finger. It's blowing up on them.
    They were surprised by the vicious dishonesty of the attacks.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    LOL. "Vicious" dishonesty....

    Well, try to appease bigots and this is the price. Can't say he wasn't warned, because he was and did it anyway. Now the legislature is hearing from businesses who warned them NOT to do it and this time it looks like they may listen.
    Yes, vicious dishonesty. The left has descended into the gutter on this one.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You see, conservatives and "Dutch style" social democrats can agree on issues. I am not an American social democrat because I would think that would be closer to the position of the Socialist Party of the Netherlands (a party which I detest, they finance the poor by taking too much from the rich and the middle class, are too constricting when it comes to economics, I do not like nationalized industries, etc. etc. etc.).

    I am a social liberal and a moderate on most other issues, sometimes even agreeing with conservatives.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Sure beats creationists having influence.
    Not really. The state can shape the minds of children to push forward its goals that are far more dangerous than such drivel as creationism.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I've seen the headlines from TX. That's why government doesn't belong in education.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All states have influence on what children learn. It's an intended consequence of government being involved in education.

    Some states have more influence than others. One day your kids will be forced to read the rewritten science and history books that the religious wacknuts in Texas Ed Agency want to force on all kids. They too get to will learn bunches of dishonest nonsense.

    And Texas lovvvvvvvvvvvvesssssssssssss to OMIT true history.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Some states have more influence than others. One day your kids will be forced to read the rewritten science and history books that the religious wacknuts in Texas Ed Agency want to force on all kids. They too get to will learn bunches of dishonest nonsense.

    And Texas lovvvvvvvvvvvvesssssssssssss to OMIT true history.
    History class across the nation is about pushing the government approved narrative. I don't know why some states have more influence than others, but at the same time I don't care about it all that much. The problem is governments influence in education, not which states have more or less influence.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I've seen the headlines from TX. That's why government doesn't belong in education.
    It's a myth and this liberal rag confirms it.

    Texas Textbooks' National Influence Is a Myth | The Texas Tribune
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I guess we worry about different things, RM. I wouldn't lose my marbles because someone doesn't want to bake me a cake so I have to go to the guy down the road.

    I'm not religious at all, but it doesn't bother me when others are. I just don't want to be forced to go to church or wear ashes on my head one day in February or read the Bible or pray with beads. To each his own.
    I just don't believe this. I doubt very much that many people would actually simply be calm about accepting someone's refusal to serve them, especially for something that like sex or race or their religion/beliefs. Especially if you took the time to actually go to that place to begin with, having no idea that they would refuse to serve you simply because you were a part of some group of people that they didn't agree with, not because you were asking for something they felt was offensive or hateful.

    Imagine driving on a road, and you need gas. The first place you come to says "can't give you gas, your car is blue or foreign". Okay, so you accept that reasoning even if it is stupid and your car takes the gas the person sells. You drive on a little, getting lower on gas as you go. There is another station. You pull over definitely worried now that you might run out of gas despite having filled up at the beginning of your drive. Now, it is you and your girlfriend (not romantic, just a friend) on the road. The woman at the counter misinterprets your hug as romantic and says she can't provide you with service because you are obviously a lesbian couple (each of you have a wedding band on your finger). You try to explain that you aren't but she doesn't want to hear it, saying you would lie to get her service. So you drive away hoping there is another gas station close. Right as you are getting desperate, light's been on, gas gage has been sitting on E, you see another station. You go to get gas, and the attendant stops you, saying he can't sell you gas because the sticker on the back of your car declares you are Catholic. He feels Catholics are wrongly interpreting the scriptures and worship the Pope rather than God/Jesus. Now what do you do? Simply say "well that is their rights" or recognize that all these businesses had different reasons for turning you away, reasons that didn't have anything to do with protecting their business, only their personal biases. And these things put you in danger. Would it be different if the one that refused due to the color or type of car you had was the last one, the one to leave you desperately sitting at E, unable to start your car, and having to call AAA or some other service to get you?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It's a myth and this liberal rag confirms it.

    Texas Textbooks' National Influence Is a Myth | The Texas Tribune
    WRONG!

    Here's reality according to the National Education Agency....

    “The circus-like efforts of right-wing board members,” Haecker said, “to impose their own religious and political beliefs on the public school curriculum have been and still are a national embarrassment.”

    The standards will guide textbook purchases and classroom instruction over the next decade — and maybe not just in Texas. National publishers usually cater to its demands because the school board is probably the most influential in the country. Texas buys 48 million textbooks every year. No other state, except California, wields that sort of market clout.

    But California isn’t taking any chances. A bill recently introduced in the state legislature seeks to prevent Texas-approved changes from seeping into textbooks in the Golden State.

    Even if their reach is limited to Texas, will the new standards capsize social studies classrooms across the Lone Star state? Probably not, says Kirk White, a middle school social studies teacher in Austin.

    NEA - Will Texas Decide What's In Your Textbook?

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