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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I'm all for an Internet voting system that makes our laws. My belief that most people are generally good would rule the day.

    This would take organized politics, lobbyist, and monetary persuasion out of the mix.
    In the Netherlands (I know smaller country so in the US elections should normally last longer) elections are a matter of weeks of campaigning. They are elected for 4 years, electing someone for 2 years is just insane, that would make someone being in campaigns virtually all of the time and that does not help the issue IMHO.

    Sadly the power of lobbyists, money and other pressure groups has made the influence of the voters less and less and that is wrong.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The freedom to sue a Muslim baker who refuses fix me a cake made out of bacon and decorated with two guys kissing..
    So basically the freedom to use the state against your fellow man for not providing you service. Is that about right? Is that supposed to make any logical sense when talking about rights?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, actually TB, I'm not really worried about any of it. I'm from Texas...the land of radical government legislation. And their constant attempts to make everybody want to praise Jesus. In Texas, the legislators see persecution of those who won't fall to their knees a waste of time. They prefer execution.
    I'm lucky. I live in the Live Free or Die State. For the most part our legislators stay the hell out of our lives.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The freedom to sue a Muslim baker who refuses fix me a cake made out of bacon and decorated with two guys kissing..
    That should never be a possible lawsuit. A baker does not make cake's with bacon on it and he should have the right to still retain artistic freedom to make specially designed cakes (like the bacon and the 2 kissing men).
    Mock the week quote: "I don't understand why people complain about Kim Jung Un testing nuclear weapons, the more he tests the fewer he will have left".

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Of course, which is why I can't wait to see that one play out. Might be a quickly growing "church" if the state has to allow them to use pot for "religious purposes." I've briefly looked to see if RFRA was tested that way at some point. Seems like this can't be a new idea. Didn't find anything.
    Don't know if it was tested by the RFRA but, there is much history of it's use for such purposes.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically the freedom to use the state against your fellow man for not providing you service. Is that about right? Is that supposed to make any logical sense when talking about rights?
    I will not have my right to sue anybody I want - for any reason I want - taken away by religious zealots. This is America!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    In the Netherlands (I know smaller country so in the US elections should normally last longer) elections are a matter of weeks of campaigning. They are elected for 4 years, electing someone for 2 years is just insane, that would make someone being in campaigns virtually all of the time and that does not help the issue IMHO.

    Sadly the power of lobbyists, money and other pressure groups has made the influence of the voters less and less and that is wrong.
    Agreed.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Why doesn't the Christian church deny fellowship with those Christians that engage in despicable and sinful behaviors and engaging in heterosexual intercourse.
    Some do, and they should

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Isn't this about religious rights to not serve (insert x)? I assume those 3 are opposed to gay rights based on religious reasons. I don't know who else was in the room. And all of the stories about the businesses being compelled to serve people (the bakers, the photographer) were all religious opponents to gay lifestyles/SSM. So what's surprising about those people being there since the uproar is that the entire bill is an anti-gay bill?
    The people claimed it violated their religious beliefs to serve same sex couples at a wedding, just as there are those in the 70s who claimed it violated their religious beliefs to serve interracial couples. People use religious beliefs as an excuse for not accepting responsibility for their own, personal beliefs.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm lucky. I live in the Live Free or Die State. For the most part our legislators stay the hell out of our lives.
    You are indeed lucky...kind of. Texas State Board of Education has influence on the text book contents your kids have to read and learn.

    I promise you...that's no bueno

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