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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    9.9 times out of 10, your questions aren't relevant in the U.S.,or most any other civilize nation, Henrin.

    You seem to believe that your questions have some kind profound, unanswerable meaning or answers. You live by the creed, "Just because I made it up doesn't mean its not true."
    You mean like how civil rights movement were fighting for rights that weren't protected by law? You mean like how most of the people that are fighting for gay rights believe that rights come from government? Yes, I suppose you could say they are fighting for something that doesn't exist anywhere but their mind. I suppose if you entire argument is that it is all subjective and yet my argument is not subjective you're being entirely logical in your approach.


    Oh, and appeal to law seems to work in nations rule by law...not anarchy.
    When you are arguing in support of the law and you have no other reasoning then it's the law then your argument is circular and thus you are committing a fallacy.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The state of CT has just announced it will not fund any travel to the state of Indiana while this is going down. Hysterical.

    Seattle, San Francisco, and Connecticut to Ban Government-Funded Travel to Indiana| Gay News | Towleroad
    or this one...you choose
    Connecticut's Governor Doesn't Understand His Own State's RFRA


    Good thing the UConn Men's team didn't go to the tournament finals this year.
    Apparently it's OK for liberals to discriminate

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean like how civil rights movement were fighting for rights that weren't protected by law? You mean like how most of the people that are fighting for gay rights believe that rights come from government? Yes, I suppose you could say they are fighting for something that doesn't exist anywhere but their mind.




    When you are arguing in support of the law and you have no other reasoning then it's the law then your argument is circular and thus you are committing a fallacy.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    When you come back from La La Land, give me a call.
    So I take it you don't have an answer to my question. I didn't think you did, but then, no one else does either, so don't worry about it.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I've read it. Here's what he had to say: "There are hardly any cases about discrimination, and nobody has ever won a religious exemption from a discrimination law under a RFRA standard." If he's right, the answer is "No." Pence is trying to play this both ways - appease the anti-SSM/gay crowd AND the rest of the world with "this has nothing to do with teh geys - promise!"

    Pretty funny, actually.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I got it. Again, if anyone voting for the law then had major interest groups promoting the law as a way to "protect" businesses and individuals "against those promoting homosexual marriage" then that's very relevant. We've been through this with the Federal law.

    You keep deliberately missing the point, but those with the "faux" outrage are just taking the right wing anti-SSM crowd at their word that this law was intended to target homosexuals and SSM. It is in the news now, and I don't think the sudden push in red states to pass RFRA type laws is a coincidence or because they're all suddenly worried about native American rituals etc...

    What would make the controversy go away is Indiana taking at least a partial step into the law like Utah did that explicitly protects gays - in Utah it was just in employment and housing, but that's a good first step. What's the harm?
    Those who sponsored the law have, I believe, been caught off guard by the vicious dishonesty of their critics.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    And for what it's worth...we have volumes and volumes of history books that show how effective religious bigotry turns out in the long run.

    So I guess they can cling to their religion. No skin off of my wallet...until somebody refuses me goods or services based on their religion. Then may the chips fall where they may.
    I guess we worry about different things, RM. I wouldn't lose my marbles because someone doesn't want to bake me a cake so I have to go to the guy down the road.

    I'm not religious at all, but it doesn't bother me when others are. I just don't want to be forced to go to church or wear ashes on my head one day in February or read the Bible or pray with beads. To each his own.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So I take it you don't have an answer to my question. I didn't think you did, but then, no one else does either, so don't worry about it.

    Know from the bottom of your heart...I'm not gonna worry about it. But when you realize that you too are subject to complying with laws of the land...feel free to give me a shout.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    No not bigotry, there can be no religious bigotry in reaffirming religious freedom as it's practice is a protected right under the constitution. The idea that governmental institutions should be able to compel religious individuals to act against their own conscience (sincere religious belief) is outrageous.
    I guess in your view everyone has a right to be a bigot as long as they are acting with "sincere religious belief". The same nonsense was spouted about integrating schools, inter-racial marriages.... BS then and BS now.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Speaking of Pence, this quote was hilarious:



    LMMFAO. The mischaracterizations are coming from supporters of the bill he invited to the private signing...

    From his orgs website: Advance America Blog Archive Help Protect Religious Freedom In Indiana!



    Who said this was about teh gay???!!!! Only the people invited to the signing!
    Pence has been caught off guard by the vicious dishonesty of the law's critics.
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