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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, I was interested, and I didn't think it was bad to ask you what it was instead of spending half an hour Googling to find it.

    So there were 3 people who oppose gay marriage or gay people at the signing. And this is somehow surprising? Who normally attends bill signings - opponents of the bill?
    But why should these particular people support the bill? And why no same sex marriage/gay rights' supporters if this wasn't about at least in some way being able to discriminate against gays based on religious beliefs? That is basically the point. There is a reason those particular people are there, supporting this bill in general, and it is because they see this bill as a victory for opponents of gay rights.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    The original RFR act was all about peyote ingestion for religious purposes,so why not.

    Here's a look at history of 'religious freedom' laws
    Of course, which is why I can't wait to see that one play out. Might be a quickly growing "church" if the state has to allow them to use pot for "religious purposes." I've briefly looked to see if RFRA was tested that way at some point. Seems like this can't be a new idea. Didn't find anything.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Probably a lot. It's the sad reality of this country that more men resemble Homer Simpson than resemble Sean Connery.

    I think business owners should have a right to do that, but they should also assume accountability for their action$ (these things hit them in their pocketbooks). And in this day and age, the buyer can likely find another vendor who doesn't care about his less than handsome appearance.
    Hey, if bigotry is more important than money...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People have the right to be idiots. Then again, who the **** wants a bacon cake? I mean, ok, bacon is delicious, but on a cake? **** no! I'm not making that.
    Are you claiming to be living example of that, Henrin. Is that your right, too?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But why should these particular people support the bill? And why no same sex marriage/gay rights' supporters if this wasn't about at least in some way being able to discriminate against gays based on religious beliefs? That is basically the point. There is a reason those particular people are there, supporting this bill in general, and it is because they see this bill as a victory for opponents of gay rights.
    Isn't this about religious rights to not serve (insert x)? I assume those 3 are opposed to gay rights based on religious reasons. I don't know who else was in the room. And all of the stories about the businesses being compelled to serve people (the bakers, the photographer) were all religious opponents to gay lifestyles/SSM. So what's surprising about those people being there since the uproar is that the entire bill is an anti-gay bill?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have yet to find someone capable of answering that question. The thing is that I don't think anyone can answer that question without leaning on the law and once that do that they have committed a fallacy.
    9.9 times out of 10, your questions aren't relevant in the U.S.,or most any other civilize nation, Henrin.

    You seem to believe that your questions have some kind profound, unanswerable meaning or answers. You live by the creed, "Just because I made it up doesn't mean its not true."

    Oh, and appeal to law seems to work in nations rule by law...not anarchy.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Are you claiming to be living example of that, Henrin. Is that your right, too?
    Dude, all I know is if I was a baker there is no way I'm making a bacon cake.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Hey, if bigotry is more important than money...
    Well, I guess to them it's religion is more important than money, or dislike for Homer Simpson, or dislike for Asians, or contempt for women, or whatever the reason for not wanting to do the job is.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, but you understand no one has a problem with that until it reaches the realm of public policy, such as laws criminalizing consensual sex between adults, or allowing for discrimination, or Constitutional amendments to prohibit the state from extending benefits to same sex couples. It's a huge distinction between using reason or persuasion or whatever to change their lives for the better and enshrining what you believe is "better" into the laws that affect us all.



    Sure it is, unless the doing of what YOU might label "vile or disgusting" somehow harms you. Sex between consenting adults isn't remotely "vile or disgusting" to me, or gay sex isn't any more "vile and disgusting" as imagining all kinds of people having straight sex. Watching Mitch McConnell having sex? I might gouge my eyes out first...... etc...



    Missing the point.



    Of course, people in those churches have different beliefs, and aren't looking for your approval, or opinion on the prospects of their salvation, same way I imagine you're not looking to them. Religion is intensely personal and there are endless variations within and between religions. All society asks us to do is allow for those differences. There is no 'right' to impose your religious beliefs on others.
    If you or others consider my quoting of scripture or discussion of what is in my faith to be imposition, that's on you.

    The first amendment protects my right to free speech and to practice my religion as I see fit. We shouldn't even need another law to define this.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Well, I guess to them it's religion is more important than money, or dislike for Homer Simpson, or dislike for Asians, or contempt for women, or whatever the reason for not wanting to do the job is.
    And for what it's worth...we have volumes and volumes of history books that show how effective religious bigotry turns out in the long run.

    So I guess they can cling to their religion. No skin off of my wallet...until somebody refuses me goods or services based on their religion. Then may the chips fall where they may.

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