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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Homosexuals just don't appreciate the opportunity this bill provides for them. They can create a religion of their own like the Church of the Great Holy Phallus or some such thing and then refuse to serve those despicable breeders that are an affront to their religion because they engage in despicable and sinful behaviors like attending traditional Christian churches and engaging in heterosexual intercourse.
    That might be fun, but I don't know of any gays who have any problem at all with straight people, many of them have their own kids, many go to church, etc. It would make life difficult to discriminate against them too, what with 90-98% or so of the population being straight.

    What I have seen is a group that formed a Church of Weed or something like it, and obviously smoking pot is a central tenet, etc. I do look forward to their case coming before a judge.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, the problem is there that bad judicial decisions cannot be reversed on appeal. That makes the power of a judge far too great IMHO. No judicial decision should be beyond reproach in the criminal justice system. In the Netherlands no legal decision of any seriousness is made by just 1 judge but by 3 judges. Afterwards both the prosecution and the defense can appeal that decision and if they still feel the decision has been made on unlawful grounds they can go to our version of the supreme court and have it overturned and kicked back to a lower court to redo the trial.

    I still do not think that judges should be beholden to anyone except the law and should not make decisions with elections on their mind because that just is very unhealthy from a legal point of view.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Jesus did not avoid them. That is precisely the point. He associated with them.
    He associated with sinners to try to get them to stop sinning.

    Indiana has legalized doing just the opposite. And in the name of Jesus and his love.
    Jesus did not buy or sell the prostitute trashy clothes to help her business.Jesus did not help the tax collector find more ways to steal more money.Jesus did not help muggers get better weapons. Jesus did not buy burglars a set of lock picks to make it easier for them to rob homes. So I am pretty sure Jesus would not his followers preforming gay weddings, selling gay wedding cakes and etc seeing how those encourage/aid more sinning not less sinning.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Yes, I am. If they want to violate my civil rights...correct, I'm doing just that.
    What does this civil right they are violating protect exactly?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Look at it this way. A judge might approach this with very same concern that you have - what sense does it make to protect people based on race, but not one of the million other classifications that might arise?

    In the case of Blonde vs. Get Out, Inc., the judge may ask the question, if we do not allow discrimination based on something as arbitrary as skin color, why should we allow discrimination based on something so arbitrary as hair color? If the defendents have not answered that question, if there is no legitimate business interest in denying service to blondes, the court may very well (and likely will) rule in favor of the plaintiffs.

    Now, you may disagree with this, but that doesn't stop it from happening.
    Judges make mistakes - lots of them, in fact. They let child molesters out to molest more children. They award adults millions of dollars in damages because they made stupid decisions that impacted them. And so on. I appreciate that there is a need for them but I don't approach things thinking "what would a judge do", because that could cause my eyeballs to fall out just thinking about it.

    I think if we assume anyone can go before a judge and say "He wouldn't serve me!", our already cluttered judicial system will get clogged even more with stupid suits. That's another issue I have with all of this and that's why I keep thinking, right or wrong, it has to be all or nothing. Today we're talking about religious beliefs and gay people. Tomorrow it could be that something entirely different. I get requiring emergency personnel and medical personnel to serve everyone without question. I'm struggling with the retailers and service providers and restaurants because in most of these cases we hear about (all, actually), the gay couple or gay person being discriminated against in the name of religion had other options, and it strikes me as vindictive to get so upset about it. Not everyone likes everyone else and not everyone approves of everyone else. You can't force these religious people to believe something they don't, just like you'll never force me to believe that it's okay to use an elephant in a circus even though the law says you can.

    It isn't as black and white on either side as people would like it to be, and by the way - the name calling in this thread from both sides is part of why most people hate this issue. I see equal insulting, degrading and bullying of religious people as I see the religious people denigrating and rudely criticizing gay people. It's pretty appalling.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That might be fun, but I don't know of any gays who have any problem at all with straight people, many of them have their own kids, many go to church, etc. It would make life difficult to discriminate against them too, what with 90-98% or so of the population being straight.

    What I have seen is a group that formed a Church of Weed or something like it, and obviously smoking pot is a central tenet, etc. I do look forward to their case coming before a judge.
    The original RFR act was all about peyote ingestion for religious purposes,so why not.

    Here's a look at history of 'religious freedom' laws
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Yes, I am. If they want to violate my civil rights...correct, I'm doing just that.

    LOL... how you figure?... I cant join the WNBA... are my civil rights being taken...or is common sense being used and I cant sue them..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can't read any of those captions. Is there supposed to be something noteworthy in there?
    Not that difficult to find a much larger image online, IF you were really interested

    Here are the three sweethearts who are circled in the photo:
    Tall one in the back - Curt Smith, equates homosexuality with beastiality, helped write the bill
    over Pence's left shoulder, Eric Miller, distributed a flier claiming pastors could be jailed for preaching against homosexuality
    bearded one - Micah Clark, believes homosexuality is a treatable order, once freaked out about a lesbian high school student wearing a tux to the prom.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What does this civil right they are violating protect exactly?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What does this civil right they are violating protect exactly?
    yea.. Id like to know also.. good question...I cant wait for the response..

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