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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    In the very, very, very slim hope that our less-than-understanding members will choose to open their minds.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." --First Amendment to the United States Constitution

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    By the way. How does it feel to know that attitudes such as yours are literally dying out?
    How would it feel if the notion that "normal doesn't need a special word" were dying out?

    I'd lament the increasing stupidity of my fellow man, were that the case. I don't think that's the case.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    again.. this law protects ones freedom in the private sector and religious institutes to NOT BE FORCED to do something that is against theire religious morals

    should a Muslim cake maker be forced to make a cake with Muhammad's picture on it If I walk in and demand one? with bacon and men kissing on it as figurines? or should they be arrested for denying that?
    So what will be the identifying factor when business owners want to exclude gays as a consumer at their respective business?

    Should consumers try not to look gay? Women shouldn't have short hair or men avoid displaying limpish wrists?


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    why did Clinton and Obama sign the same law?..

    why cant obama tell us who he meets with at the WH as per standard law practice
    It is not the SAME law, as several others have noted on the multiple threads about this boo-boo from Indiana, that was driven by unreasoning hatred and fear.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    So what will be the identifying factor when business owners want to exclude gays as a consumer at their respective business?

    Should consumers try not to look gay? Women shouldn't have short hair or men avoid displaying limpish wrists?
    again.. what part of this is confusing.. its not about "the customers rights" its about the rights of the owner based on religious beliefs to simply have the ability to not accept fulfilling an order , without fearing legal action against them...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is not the SAME law, as several others have noted on the multiple threads about this boo-boo from Indiana, that was driven by unreasoning hatred and fear.
    incorrect....

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    The Left's attempt to silence any opposition to their godless pro-gay marriage agenda, etc., is nothing short of liberal McCarthyism.

    It's Not Political Correctness but Brutal Liberal McCarthyism | Human Events

    Excerpts from the link:

    "The phrase “political correctness” falls short of describing what is actually Liberal McCarthyism, an ideological position using brutal tools and tactics to silence the American majority. By controlling speech, they control our spheres of life. It should be understood that no matter what is said and no matter how benign and how “sensitively” expressed, the Left will brand any comment or sentence mean-spirited if it differs from their agenda and goal of reshaping America

    "Whereas Joe McCarthy targeted a few individuals, today’s Liberal McCarthyism is attempting to disenfranchise the 100 million or so that constitute the majority and middle class. And while Joe McCarthy caused a few in Hollywood to be blacklisted, today’s liberal McCarthyites are trying to destroy an entire culture, value system, and Judeo-Christian ethos, not to mention the traditional family itself."

    The battle is joined, and we're not going away.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    again.. what part of this is confusing.. its not about "the customers rights" its about the rights of the owner based on religious beliefs to simply have the ability to not accept fulfilling an order , without fearing legal action against them...
    I get that. But one isn't mutually exclusive of the other.

    How do business owners decide to exclude a consumer based on a religious belief? What criteria or method will they use to discriminate? Your Muslin example won't be near as blatant when it comes to discriminating against all who they claim violates their religious beliefs.

    Consumers will learn to work around bigoted business owners.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Define "okay with."

    Should that be legally permissable? Absolutely.

    I would also condemn such a policy.


    I compare the notion to free speech; I don't have to agree with what you say to agree you have a right to say it.
    i don't agree that kicking black people out of restaurants for being black should be ok.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is not the SAME law, as several others have noted on the multiple threads about this boo-boo from Indiana, that was driven by unreasoning hatred and fear.
    the additional language in the Indiana bill is to protect individuals from civil suits, where some courts have inappropriately applied public accommodation laws to non-public accommodation business. I believe there was a case in New Mexico.

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