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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    The problem with this statement is that, well, it’s false. That becomes clear when you read and compare those tedious state statutes. If you do that, you will find that the Indiana statute has two features the federal RFRA—and most state RFRAs—do not. First, the Indiana law explicitly allows any for-profit business to assert a right to “the free exercise of religion.” The federal RFRA doesn’t contain such language, and neither does any of the state RFRAs except South Carolina’s; in fact, Louisiana and Pennsylvania, explicitly exclude for-profit businesses from the protection of their RFRAs.

    The new Indiana statute also contains this odd language: “A person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened, by a violation of this chapter may assert the violation or impending violation as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative proceeding, regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding.” (My italics.) Neither the federal RFRA, nor 18 of the 19 state statutes cited by the Post, says anything like this; only the Texas RFRA, passed in 1999, contains similar language.
    Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act Allows Private Businesses to Discriminate Against Employees Based on Sexual Orientation
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    some churches may do that.. certainly not Obamas Rev Wright Church..right?
    Do you know Rev. Right's Church? Have you prayed there? How did you come by your knowledge? Did god send an angel to inform you?

    Or did you reach around and divinely pull it out your ass?


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Do you know Rev. Right's Church? Have you prayed there? How did you come by your knowledge? Did god send an angel to inform you?
    Or did you reach around and divinely pull it out your ass?
    I know a lot about them and BLT.. none of which is steeped in tolerance.. do you know their covenant? I do...
    is Farakan a welcome voice inside that church? do you know what Trumpet Magazine is?...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would agree with you on this. ALL of these laws, telling people that they MUST associate with anyone, or telling them that they don't have to associate with anyone are divisive and problematic. Both sets need to be eliminated.
    We tried that

    It didn't work
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The 'war' is for the mind not physically harming or jailing anyone...convincing sinners to change their lives for the better so they may have eternal life in Christ.
    OK, but you understand no one has a problem with that until it reaches the realm of public policy, such as laws criminalizing consensual sex between adults, or allowing for discrimination, or Constitutional amendments to prohibit the state from extending benefits to same sex couples. It's a huge distinction between using reason or persuasion or whatever to change their lives for the better and enshrining what you believe is "better" into the laws that affect us all.

    Individual freedom is not getting to do whatever you want and certainly not things most find vile or disgusting.
    Sure it is, unless the doing of what YOU might label "vile or disgusting" somehow harms you. Sex between consenting adults isn't remotely "vile or disgusting" to me, or gay sex isn't any more "vile and disgusting" as imagining all kinds of people having straight sex. Watching Mitch McConnell having sex? I might gouge my eyes out first...... etc...

    Jesus is a respected prophet in the Koran so, it's not just for Christians benefit.
    Missing the point.

    Most churches except anyone as a member but, not convincing them to give up their sinful life is what I'm speaking of. Simply going to church will not save you spiritually.
    Of course, people in those churches have different beliefs, and aren't looking for your approval, or opinion on the prospects of their salvation, same way I imagine you're not looking to them. Religion is intensely personal and there are endless variations within and between religions. All society asks us to do is allow for those differences. There is no 'right' to impose your religious beliefs on others.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's not so much hateful as it is stupid.
    I disagree; I think the internet "social justice warrior" crowd is all about virulent hatred for anyone they presume to be "privileged." And something something patriarchy and something something "****lords..."

    ... I honestly stop listening almost immediately when they start talking.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Yeah, I can.

    Take this hateful stupidity back to the darkest depths of tumblr, where it belongs.
    Nope.

    By the way. How does it feel to know that attitudes such as yours are literally dying out?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I am hearing this question pop up. But I cannot yet tell whether it is a defensive question or an honest question. Perhaps it could be either, or both, depending on who is asking it.
    Its an honest question. Don't see what the hubbub is about Indiana's law, when the same is in effect at the Federal level and in 30 other States over the last 22 years.

    I see protests, pulling of company expansions, etc, etc, etc. The NCAA made a statement on the finals in Indianapolis.....but didn't say anything about games held in Kentucky.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Nope.

    By the way. How does it feel to know that attitudes such as yours are literally dying out?
    How does it feel to declare people are privileged because they're normal?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol, yes, it just means normal people that aren't delusional about their gender. It's a stupid term that serves no purpose.
    You don't seem to understand, Henrin. At one time, the word "cisgender" would have been pointless and purposeless because it just means "normal". But since homosexuals have decreed that the meaning of normal has to change in order to include all manner of sexual deviance, some other word had to be invented to fill in the void left by the erstwhile meaning of "normal".
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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