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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    "Righteous" is subjective, and you just did precisely what I said. BOTH sides have legitimate positions on this issue. The problem is the application of those issues.
    If you are straight and cisgender, then you have the privilege of making comments such as these. You are completely dismissing the legitimate concerns of LGBTs, who have to deal with homophobia and genderphobia every day of their lives. As such, your holier-than-thou attitude does not deserve to be listened to. It only deserves to be stood up.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A Muslim business owner can refuse to serve bacon, but they can't refuse to serve bacon to black people but serve bacon to white people anyway. Hope this helps your confusion.
    But can a Muslim cake decorator refuse to make a Happy Birthday Muhammad cake, with picture?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nope, not a vegetarian restaurant. She, like I, loves animals and doesn't appreciate jokes about animals being made into meat.
    Just don't understand why someone would be so opposed to hunting while making a living selling meat from slaughterhouses. But that's a subject for another thread.

    She can't say "You have to leave because I don't like black people". Black people are of the protected class. Have you been following along?
    You're the one who claimed "you can deny service to anyone for any reason"

    What are the laws that say you can't deny service for purely arbitrary reasons? If I own a cleaning service, and I clean the house next to you, what law says I have to clean your house just because you want me to if I decide I don't want to do it because you have kids and I don't like kids? That's arbitrary.
    State public accommodations laws - which is why I say things like "typically," "usually," and "most if not all" because I don't know the law in every state.

    A cleaning service is not "a place of public accommodation."

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Arbitrarily jettisoning those that you don't like the looks off from a business that serves the public isn't freedom. That's some nazi era ****.

    first off.. I dont believe your story, second, you are the one with knowing the "absolutes"...maybe there was no Dr on staff that could help him or the proper equipment...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I can't believe any of those guys picked it up. I live in NH and it got about 6 seconds mention on our news channels and barely a mention in our newspapers.

    Nobody I know of cared that he used a discussion about our state bird in such a manner. It was how something proposed by kids was hijacked for political purposes - by both sides, by the way.
    It was on Last Week Tonight in a subject that lasted about 5 minutes

    John Oliver on 'Last Week Tonight' takes on 4th-graders' bill killed by NH legislators | NH1



    After that I read up on it before I posted it because I really thought it was inappropriate to use a bill written by 4th graders (and witnessed by said 4th graders) in such a manner.

    And at the end they made the raptor those 4th graders wanted to make into the state raptor into the Last Week Tonight official raptor.
    toward that end the tactics and the strategies that people resort to in carrying out this ideologically driven agenda of what they call “pro-life” which is really pro-fetus does not have anything to do with the lives of babies after they’re born or the women who bear them.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    "Righteous" is subjective, and you just did precisely what I said. BOTH sides have legitimate positions on this issue. The problem is the application of those issues.
    The Indianapolis Mayor just issued an executive order overriding this state law. He is a GOP and sees the countless millions already lost due to conventions pulling out.

    Meanwhile Pence and the legislature are in complete damage control ahead of the NCAA Basketball Final Four this coming weekend, trying to tweak the law .
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I must have come in when you were leaving. I moved to Fairfield County in 1995. I moved back to Ohio in 2011. And not a moment too soon. To borrow a line from Samuel Clemens, if I owned Connecticut and I owned hell, I'd rent out Connecticut and live in hell.
    Love that line!! Too funny.

    CT was great as far as lots to do and see, great area, but between the politics (ugh) and the taxes (ugh x 2), we also couldn't get out fast enough.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If you are straight and cisgender, then you have the privilege of making comments such as these. You are completely dismissing the legitimate concerns of LGBTs, who have to deal with homophobia and genderphobia every day of their lives. As such, your holier-than-thou attitude does not deserve to be listened to. It only deserves to be stood up.
    ridiculous... your post shows no respect of others religious views...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm really not sure what you're saying. Should gays be criminalized and jailed in this "war?" Is it OK to fire them from their jobs for being gay, ostracized from normal society? Denied service at restaurants? Etc.

    But you're illustrating pretty well the intolerance that gays want to "destroy." Essentially, your religious beliefs are yours and those who adhere to similar values. In a theocracy, you get to impose those views on all others. In our diverse society that values individual freedom, the right to worship your God, other gods, or no god at all is pretty high on our list of national values.



    To be blunt, what Jesus said only matters to Christians, and there is obviously a pretty large variation among Christians on what constitutes a sin. As you know there are churches who accept homosexuals. My gay brother has gone to church his entire life. Do you get veto power over those churches?
    The 'war' is for the mind not physically harming or jailing anyone...convincing sinners to change their lives for the better so they may have eternal life in Christ.

    Individual freedom is not getting to do whatever you want and certainly not things most find vile or disgusting.

    Jesus is a respected prophet in the Koran so, it's not just for Christians benefit.

    Most churches except anyone as a member but, not convincing them to give up their sinful life is what I'm speaking of. Simply going to church will not save you spiritually.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Anyone who says the RFRA bill isn't intended to discriminate against gay citizens ain't paying attention

    Here's a picture/comment from GLAAD

    Attachment 67182478

    For 'some' reason, the governor's office is refusing to release names of those who attended the bill signing

    why did Clinton and Obama sign the same law?..

    why cant obama tell us who he meets with at the WH as per standard law practice

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