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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I call total BS, sorry dude. Pence signed the law two days ago. It doesn't go into effect immediately.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    When asked during a press conference, House Speaker Brian Bosma (R-Indianapolis) basically said that with few exceptions, discrimination against gays is allowed in Indiana (Video is 27 min.)

    GOP leaders offer remarks on RFRA

    Reporter: “You guys have said repeatedly that we shouldn’t be able to discriminate against anyone, but if you just ignore the existence of this law, can’t we already do that now? Can’t so-and-so in Richmond put a sign up and say ‘No Gays Allowed?’ That’s not against the law, correct?”

    Bosma: “It would depend, if you were in a community that had a human rights ordinance that wouldn’t be the case.”

    Reporter: “But most of the state does not have that, correct?”

    Bosma: “That’s correct.”
    According to the Human Rights Campaign, only the cities of Bloomington, Evansville, Indianapolis, and South Bend prohibit discrimination against LGBT people, along with Marion County and Monroe County.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    99%... can never say 100% but I find it very unlikely even it was Richard Simmons with a "Right Said Fred world tour" t shirt on.. Drs do not allow the injured to go untreated for some political position..

    But walk in clinics mayn times are not staffed with the right person at the moment and or equipment.....I just experienced that myself.. I am not gay
    I would agree that it's very unlikely. I'm SURE I could find a few examples, but those would be rare exceptions and do not prove anything. And I agree with you about walk in clinics. However, what is your opinion on those few doctors who WOULD send away a homosexual in need of medical attention, just because they are homosexual?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Call BS all ya want. I'm relaying what transpired.
    Then your friend has a legitimate law suit if what you say is true, but I doubt very much what you say or what he told you was true.

    Just sayin.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Liberals have a mob mentality, something they claim to despise. they gang up on one group(in this case christians) and bully them and make it their mission to ruin the lives of those who disagree. It's the worst kind of attitude and mindset.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    again.. quote whats the issue so I can help you.. I cant read minds
    I've stated the issue. You are either diverting or do not understand. I'd bet the first one.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Anyone who says the RFRA bill isn't intended to discriminate against gay citizens ain't paying attention

    Here's a picture/comment from GLAAD

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    For 'some' reason, the governor's office is refusing to release names of those who attended the bill signing
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    to be told you are right..and if its not your post, angle or agenda its incorrect... the usual
    Standard extreme conservative dodging when cornered. This did not address the specifics of my post. This is what you do, Travis. You assign a position based on YOUR agenda, and when challenged, flutter around like a chicken with no head. I've backed you into a corner. You have two choices. Either respond to my question, or dodge it. I've seen that, so far you've chosen the latter. Do you want to try again, or do you want to go the way that all extreme conservatives go... down in flames when their dishonesty and diversions are challenged and exposed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    Liberals have a mob mentality, something they claim to despise. they gang up on one group(in this case christians) and bully them and make it their mission to ruin the lives of those who disagree. It's the worst kind of attitude and mindset.
    From what I'VE seen in this thread, your comments are decidedly one sided... which is not surprising. In this thread, several liberals have over-reacted and taken the law to the extreme. And several conservatives have misrepresented, been blind, and assigned positions that do not apply. The problem here is both sides, as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    ADL Anti-discrimination laws.

    That is not correct. For one you have no way of knowing how the law will be applied. As I stated my state is attempting to use the RFRA law to block cities from extending ADL to LGBT persons.

    I've read Indiana SB 101...It states that no government entity [city...ect ] may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion. That means if a city[or any governmental agency] writes LGBT anti-discrimination protections and fines any one or business in violation of those ADL. The person or business could sue and judges would use the state's RFRA as judicial reasoning. That is if the city or other Indiana governmental agency woul;d be sued by the state first.


    Indiana 'Anti LGBT' Law Update: SB 101 Clarification Sought By Lawmakers After RFRA Backlash

    Gov Pence will never come out and tell the world that LBGT have never had protections in Indiana. He will eventually have to tell the world this law does nothing to protect LGBT persons in Indiana.
    I like how you stated that I have no way of knowing how the law will be applied, and then state how it would be applied in your next sentence. Classy. Have you found a case that shows RFRA being applied in the manner you've suggested? Shouldn't be a problem, given that these laws have been on the books for decades.

    I can't seem to find any article on your city, which you didn't name. Can you link something?

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