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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    So if two dudes walk into My convenient store in Indiana, and I'm an evangelical type, Am I now within the law to assume that they're gay and throw them out. How do I know that they're gay? Should men not visit places of business in pairs now? or Women? What if I toss out two guys that I assume are gay and they're not, can they sue me? Does my religion protect me from making assumptions about people?
    thats not the spirit of the law.. and no you dont have to.. but you can choose to not if its against your beliefs..
    this llaw is 22 states today and its not much of a problem to mass society

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Obama, Clinton have backed similar religious-freedom bills


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    Indiana’s new religious-freedom law, which has prompted calls for a state boycott because it might permit discrimination against gays and lesbians, was made law by a Republican governor and Republican legislature. But the controversy could also ensnare leading Democrats like President Barack Obama, Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and New York Senator Chuck Schumer, who previously supported bills with similar effects years ago

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    Democrats in Bind on Controversial Indiana Religious-Freedom Law
    And how does the address what I said? Tell me what my position is on this, Travis. Come on... you LOVE making assumptions based on YOUR agenda. Let's see if you can actually figure out how to debate me on this issue. It starts VERY simply.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    This is classic Travis dishonesty and exemplifies precisely what I have been saying about your anti-liberal agenda who's sole purpose is just to disagree. Why don't you tell me what MY position on religious freedom is. Let's see you prove me right.
    Democrats in Bind on Controversial Indiana Religious-Freedom Law


    now who's "dishonest" again?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Your position is that it is just as easy to spot a gay person as a black person. If you are going to be that dishonest then have a nice day.
    Just to clarify my point, I'm not sure what meaningful difference it makes that it's harder to identify my brother as gay than a black man. If he lives successfully in the closet, discrimination may not affect his job or commerce and he might be accepted at church and in community positions, etc. But being forced to live in the closet to have a somewhat normal American experience is by itself a type of oppression. And if he's out, then for all kinds of things that really matter - most especially his career or his business, where he can live, which clubs will accept him, etc. - then 100 things will quickly identify him as gay, and therefore expose him to discrimination.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    And how does the address what I said? Tell me what my position is on this, Travis. Come on... you LOVE making assumptions based on YOUR agenda. Let's see if you can actually figure out how to debate me on this issue. It starts VERY simply.
    again...Match is 100% on the target.. that you deflect and name call is not a winning debate style.. but typical liberal emotion without fact

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Not relevant to my post. I notice you avoiding my question and challenge, Travis. Too much for you? Bit off more than you can chew? If you want to debate me on this issue, address ME. What is my position?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    again...Match is 100% on the target.. that you deflect and name call is not a winning debate style.. but typical liberal emotion without fact
    Match was wrong and misrepresented Grim's position. Your dishonesty on this is standard extreme conservatism... if you don't understand something, lie about it.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    thats not the spirit of the law.. and no you dont have to.. but you can choose to not if its against your beliefs..
    this llaw is 22 states today and its not much of a problem to mass society
    So if I think that they're gay, I can arbitrarily toss them out, even though they're not gay? what a stupid thing. Make a law based on individual subjective beliefs that can be used against anyone that you don't like the looks of.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    So if two dudes walk into My convenient store in Indiana, and I'm an evangelical type, Am I now within the law to assume that they're gay and throw them out. How do I know that they're gay? Should men not visit places of business in pairs now? or Women? What if I toss out two guys that I assume are gay and they're not, can they sue me? Does my religion protect me from making assumptions about people?
    How did that physician who refused to treat your gay friend within minutes of Pence signing this law know he was gay? How do all of these business people you said have been treating your friend badly since the 1980s know he's gay?

    By the way, what was the physician's name who refused to provide medical treatment to your friend? Surely you found that out by now.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    So if I think that they're gay, I can arbitrarily toss them out, even though they're not gay? what a stupid thing. Make a law based on individual subjective beliefs that can be used against anyone that you don't like the looks of.
    or you can choose to serve them...what part is confusing..but if they asked to make something against your religious beliefs you have the right to say NO..

    what part of that is getting you down...?

    what if you went into a Muslim restaurant and you wanted bacon and you wanted them to make a bacon cake.. with jewish men kissing..

    should they have to make it?

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