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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, they wouldn't be irrelevant to the "chicken littles" amongst you, folks who love to take things out of context and invent arguments and positions that don't exist... folks that just hate Obama because they need something to hate.
    your posts reflect the mindset of a true Obama believer and a liberal that is again ok with faschist over blown harvesting of our freedoms to fit the myopic short sighted liberal agenda..

    many of us know this is just another chipping away with our freedoms...

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    it is not a smokescreen against the LBGT at all.. its a two way street for respect and tolerance..which the liberals have no respect of

    I say take out full page adds on those who take out full page adds attacking a private business for their beliefs
    Of course it's a smokescreen, attacking respect and tolerance, of which conservatives don't care one bit about. All they care about is making their morality the law of the land.

    See? I make just as hackish and ignorant statements as you if I want. Now, do you actually want to discuss the issue reasonably, or do you want to keep making ignorant hack comments that have no basis in reality?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sure you can. In fact, one of my friends who owns a café refused to serve 2 big fat guys wearing "PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals" shirts last year. She told them why she was doing it too. Then she called a lawyer friend of ours and asked if she broke a law. She told her "Nope".
    Yes, establishments often can enforce "dress codes" - ties, jackets, no sandals, no shorts, no t-shirts, etc.

    That is different than "we don't serve blondes" or "get out of here you look like my ex-girlfriend".

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    your posts reflect the mindset of a true Obama believer and a liberal that is again ok with faschist over blown harvesting of our freedoms to fit the myopic short sighted liberal agenda..

    many of us know this is just another chipping away with our freedoms...
    Your posts reflect the mindset of the anti-liberal, someone who doesn't actually believe in anything, but just rallies against things. Anything to attack anything that doesn't suit your agenda, and misrepresent anything that you can't argue against reasonably. This is the failing of the extreme conservative.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So...

    1. A gay couple walks into a baker to order a wedding cake, the law provides the baker can use religion as a means to refuse service.

    2. Two weeks later the baker and his wife walk into a antique shop owned by the gay couple and the gay couple refuses to serve the baker because of the bakers religions beliefs.



    In event #1 the baker will be exempt from Public Accommodation laws because he acted on his religious beliefs,
    You are misstating the law. It does not "provide the baker can use religion as a means to refuse service." It does not necessarily mean the baker in your first example "will be exempt" from the applicable public accommodations law. State RFRA's like Indiana's do not, by themselves, excuse private persons from complying with laws that burden their religious beliefs. They allow them to raise that issue in their defense if they are sued, but they will still lose the suit if the court doesn't buy that defense.

    The RFRA's usually also require government, when it burdens religious expression, to show it has a compelling purpose for doing that and that it is doing it in the least burdensome way. Put differently, these laws require government actions that burden religious expression to meet a "strict scrutiny" standard similar to the one the Supreme Court required them to meet in its decisions before 1990.

    on the other hand the gay couple would be charged under the Public Accommodation law (if sexual orientation is covered by that State's law) and the complaint would proceed. They of course being in violation of both State and Federal law.
    I don't understand that. In your second example, whether sexual orientation were a protected category in the state public accommodations law would be irrelevant--the people being denied service are being denied because of their religion. Whether the owners of the antique shop who are denying service are homosexual does not matter.

    States can and have added more protected categories to their public accommodations laws than are protected under federal law. And states have inherent authority to do that. But the further they go in this process, and the further they expand the definition of public accommodation, the more likely it becomes that these laws will violate the Constitution in some way.

    Discussions on this topic help reveal ersatz liberals for what they really are--which is the very opposite of liberal. True liberals strongly defend the First Amendment freedoms of religion, speech, and association. Ersatz liberals view these freedoms as obstacles to the social agendas they want to ram down everyone's throat. They are in fact the very kind of intolerant, self-righteous prig they are so ready to accuse people who do not share their views on subjects like homosexuality of being.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Why? The Mormons were free to oppose SSM (religous teaching) and retain their tax exemption. I think you are confusing your personal opposition to the Mormon's activities with the conclusion that they must have violated the law.
    Not at all. A religion is not allowed to use its pulpit to lobby for candidates and legislation. The church funded the measure, pressured its members to make large donations and lied and hid the costs of their activities. Lying "in the name of God" is still lying.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I don't know what an ADL is, but feel free to point out a case where RFRA was successfully used to justify whatever discrimination you are referring to.

    The intent of the law is pretty straightforward, since the same Federal law doesn't apply to most instances in the individual States. I don't know why you feel its directed at LGBT. Sounds like you are projecting your prejudices upon others.
    ADL Anti-discrimination laws.

    That is not correct. For one you have no way of knowing how the law will be applied. As I stated my state is attempting to use the RFRA law to block cities from extending ADL to LGBT persons.

    I've read Indiana SB 101...It states that no government entity [city...ect ] may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion. That means if a city[or any governmental agency] writes LGBT anti-discrimination protections and fines any one or business in violation of those ADL. The person or business could sue and judges would use the state's RFRA as judicial reasoning. That is if the city or other Indiana governmental agency woul;d be sued by the state first.

    Indiana’s legislative leaders said Monday they will encourage lawmakers to clarify the state’s controversial Religious Freedom and Restoration Act, which opponents say paves the way for gay and lesbian and other groups to be denied services by business owners who feel such lifestyles go against their religious beliefs. Indiana State Senate Pro Tem David Long and House Speaker David Bosma, both Republicans, said the new law has been “misconstrued” by opponents and the legislation does not open the door to discrimination.
    Indiana 'Anti LGBT' Law Update: SB 101 Clarification Sought By Lawmakers After RFRA Backlash

    Gov Pence will never come out and tell the world that LBGT have never had protections in Indiana. He will eventually have to tell the world this law does nothing to protect LGBT persons in Indiana.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That is exactly what is happening in America. If you want to run your business according to your Christian beliefs, you can literally be forced out of business. That form of discrimination is celebrated by liberals all across America
    Bull crap. There are ways for all the ignorant bigots, religious zealots and other douche bags to set up businesses so they can only deal with like minded morons.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    in respect to reality, it doesn't depend.
    On that note, perhaps your argument would hold more weight in a thread concerned with ontology than one concerned with public accommodations law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    apparently, he just signed it. Pence is a horrible governor, and this is a national embarrassment. one major convention has already indicated that it will move, and Indiana could potentially lose sporting events. major employers were against it, too. it's going to eventually get tossed out, but not before the economic damage has been done.

    most businesses aren't going to start denying services to gay people, because that would be a ****ing stupid business decision. this is just for a few people who don't want to hand out birth control pills, and a few others who don't like homosexuals. it's an utterly useless and hurtful law. i hope this causes Hoosiers to wake the **** up and take a close look at who they're voting for.
    I have always believed that our government, at any and all levels is a direct reflection on who and what we are at that level. Pence IS Indiana's governor a reflection of the people of Indiana. If that is not the case there would be a motion to recall.
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