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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no slippery slope. it's wrong to kick gay people out of restaurants for being gay, and it shouldn't be state sanctioned. the law is revenge for gay marriage being legal in Indiana. pure and simple.
    What's wrong is to tell a business he can't refuse service to someone for whatever reasons he chooses

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    ****, i don't know. you tell me. my point is that sexual orientation is analogous to race, not analogous to being a ****ing nazi.
    Then why are so many homosexuals acting like Nazis?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    1.)Apparently you're choosing to call them criminals rather than Christians.
    2.) I knew there was a semantics game in there somewhere
    translation: a contradiction still cant be shown, thats what i thought

    1.) thats not a choice its a fact.
    if they were JUST Christian then nothing happens but since they are criminals something does, Logic 101 LOL
    2.) his claim keeps being made and this game keep sbeing played but cant it support it with one fact

    fact remains
    i dont know one Christian affected negatively by equal rights and nondiscrimination laws
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    But it's okay to kick me out because I'm blonde, or because I smell like cigarettes, or because I pick my nose at the table, or because he doesn't feel like serving me, or because I look like the teenager who broke his heart, or because my brother took his place on the basketball team, or because......the list goes on endlessly.
    Typically, it's not okay to kick people for these reasons - although those pertaining to personal hygiene are probably accepted in most states because an argument can be made that their presence hurts business.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It does say the government can not prohibit the exercise of religion. Telling wedding chapples, wedding cake makers and etc that they have to perform a gay wedding, make a gay wedding cake and ect is a violation of their 1st amendment right to exercise their religion.
    Jesus often ate dinner with criminals. Jesus ate with prostitutes. But, I'm not aware that Jesus said jack about not selling a cake to a gay person. Pence and his paranoid legislators would actually do something positive if they permitted food establishments not to sell fattening food to fatties. Gluttony is a biblical sin. As such the paranoid practitioners of protestantism could get their discrimination fix while helping to trim populace, reduce health care costs and save lives.

    Here's my point, if a person is going to get all butt hurt about his faith then that person had best carry his hatred across the board and apply hate equally as dictated by their particular religion. Gluttony is a sin. Interestingly enough it is usually members of churches that practice strict interpretation of sin who have the fattest congregations.

    Is there a biblical sin list where LGBT is ranked? I haven't seen one. Might we then be urged to love the fat people but hate pizza and chocolate easter eggs? No, probably not. There's simply too many fat people to seriously begin hating them.










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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So again, what does DADT have to do with my post? I don't care about DADT. I don't care about anyone's sexual preferences, and never did. Just like I don't care if the CEO of IBM likes to be tied up and whipped by his hairdresser wearing a Wonder Woman costume. Who people love and who they want to have sex with isn't my business - never was.
    Your preferences don't matter. Not everyone is like you. The supporters of the Indiana law are proud to have opinions 180 degrees different than you. It's they, the proudly anti-SSM/gay evangelicals, the LGBT is worried about, not socially liberal libertarian types.

    Should it be legal for an employer to have a DADT employment policy? It's a simple question.

    And what you have to recognize is you may disagree with the anti-SSM/gay crowd, but you're supporting policies they support for the purpose of discriminating against LBGT - that's what they tell us their goal is.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And the tourism revenue in Arizona is up.

    If you're talking about the Phoenix Convention Center, the bookings have gone up every year from the year they went down, and they also attribute that to the competition from the other new convention centers, including the ones in San Diego and a few other western cities, which have remained flat in bookings.

    It had an impact because people want to make a "statement". I guess Brewer and Pence are politicians who don't respond to threats or bribes of revenue in order to pass laws that they believe in.
    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm really not sure what you're saying. Should gays be criminalized and jailed in this "war?" Is it OK to fire them from their jobs for being gay, ostracized from normal society? Denied service at restaurants? Etc.

    But you're illustrating pretty well the intolerance that gays want to "destroy." Essentially, your religious beliefs are yours and those who adhere to similar values. In a theocracy, you get to impose those views on all others. In our diverse society that values individual freedom, the right to worship your God, other gods, or no god at all is pretty high on our list of national values.



    To be blunt, what Jesus said only matters to Christians, and there is obviously a pretty large variation among Christians on what constitutes a sin. As you know there are churches who accept homosexuals. My gay brother has gone to church his entire life. Do you get veto power over those churches?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You left out Section 9:

    "Sec. 9. A person whose exercise of religion has been
    substantiallyburdened, or islikely tobe substantiallyburdened,by
    a violation of this chapter may assert the violation or impending
    violation as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative
    proceeding, regardless of whether the state or any other
    governmental entity is a party to the proceeding."


    This provides that religious beliefs (as defined earlier) are a valid defense in claims between two persons (which also previously defined includes business entities). In plan English that means if a Muslim cab driver refused service to a blind person because they have a service dog (and yes that has happened, Minnesota Cab Driver case) , the owner can claim a religious objection to Jews and under this law it is a legal defense.


    https://iga.in.gov/static-documents/...01.05.ENRS.pdf

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    No I didn't leave it out, that was all that was printed up with the link. As it directly correlated to the issue. But then the Pro Gay Rights Attorney and Law Professor helped put it into the perspective that it really is.




    The bill would establish a general legal standard, the "compelling interest" test, for evaluating laws and governmental practices that impose substantial burdens on the exercise of religion.

    If the Indiana RFRA is adopted, this same general approach will govern religious freedom claims of all sorts, thus protecting religious believers of all faiths by granting them precisely the same consideration. But granting religious believers legal consideration does not mean that their religious objections will always be upheld.

    The proposed Indiana RFRA would provide valuable guidance to Indiana courts, directing them to balance religious freedom against competing interests under the same legal standard that applies throughout most of the land. It is anything but a "license to discriminate," and it should not be mischaracterized or dismissed on that basis......snip~

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Typically, it's not okay to kick people for these reasons - although those pertaining to personal hygiene are probably accepted in most states because an argument can be made that their presence hurts business.
    Sure you can. In fact, one of my friends who owns a café refused to serve 2 big fat guys wearing "PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals" shirts last year. She told them why she was doing it too. Then she called a lawyer friend of ours and asked if she broke a law. She told her "Nope".
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And I encourage people in the LGBT community to advance their "agenda". I have agendas too, in the animal rights world, and I would hope that people wish me luck in advancing my agendas as well. People should have passions about causes.
    That's what they're doing by calling out anti-gay bigots and the laws they're pushing for what they are. Glad they have your support!

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