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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    my two cents

    i saw this coming a while back.....and mentioned it in a few threads

    you can only push your POV onto others for so long, and so far, before there is a push back

    we are still are a christian nation....whether or not some of you like that idea

    and "forcing" people to participate in things that go against what they believe, is going to case backlash

    when it comes to bakeries, florists, and wedding chapels.....there is always someone else willing to get the business

    when it comes to other things.....hotels, taxis, hospitals, etc....sometimes there isnt a choice

    i know....some of you will come back, well then "dont open a public store"

    when your rights start superseding someone else's, there will be issues

    the governor, and the state here, finally said enough is enough
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't agree with special exemptions for religious claims either. That's my entire argument. Nobody should be getting special treatment or the right to comply or deny service - on either side.

    Either serve everyone, or do what you suggested here (which is a good suggestion, BTW).


    Sometimes people don't understand discussing how a law actually functions and what a law (if any) should be. What is and what (in that persons opinion) should be are two different discussions. They think (often) that their opinion of what should be is actually the way it is, which is an error.



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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    ok, we agree that it's not a choice. do we also agree that a restaurant owner shouldn't be able to kick out a gay man for being gay any more than he should be allowed to kick a black man out for being black?
    But it's okay to kick me out because I'm blonde, or because I smell like cigarettes, or because I pick my nose at the table, or because he doesn't feel like serving me, or because I look like the teenager who broke his heart, or because my brother took his place on the basketball team, or because......the list goes on endlessly.

    Either make it a rule that he has to serve everyone, or know that the market will ferret out people who have stupid business models.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    many conservatives are scrambling to defend this piece of **** bill, and it's sad. read up again :

    A Pagan Lawyer’s Take on Indiana’s “Religious Right to Discriminate Law”
    Post 1615 Right above you.

    Btw Helix I just noticed the problem.....from your link


    read yesterday’s headline on Mother Jones’ website.....snip~

    Last edited by MMC; 03-30-15 at 11:42 AM.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    But it's okay to kick me out because I'm blonde, or because I smell like cigarettes, or because I pick my nose at the table, or because he doesn't feel like serving me, or because I look like the teenager who broke his heart, or because my brother took his place on the basketball team, or because......the list goes on endlessly.

    Either make it a rule that he has to serve everyone, or know that the market will ferret out people who have stupid business models.
    once again, the traits you listed are not analogous to sexual orientation. sexual orientation is analogous to race. if it's not ok to kick out a black guy for being black, then it's not ok to kick out a gay guy for being gay.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Sometimes people don't understand discussing how a law actually functions and what a law (if any) should be. What is and what (in that persons opinion) should be are two different discussions. They think (often) that their opinion of what should be is actually the way it is, which is an error.



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    "The law says!" isn't always the most productive way to argue things. That doesn't shut down a debate. For instance, if every time someone complained about businesses being involved in political campaigns, someone else could scream "Citizen's United!", and end the debate right there.

    Opinions are actually very relevant to these discussions, IMO. Just because a law says "x" doesn't mean that it's 100% right or shouldn't be up for debate.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    once again, the traits you listed are not analogous to sexual orientation. sexual orientation is analogous to race. if it's not ok to kick out a black guy for being black, then it's not ok to kick out a gay guy for being gay.
    I never said sexual orientation was analogous to race. I wasn't posting about race.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never said sexual orientation was analogous to race. I wasn't posting about race.
    i said that sexual orientation is analogous to race. should a shop owner be able to kick out blacks for being black?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you still cant show any contradiction because it was made up

    1.) already explained it, they chose to be criminals and chose to break the law
    2.) reposting this lie wont work i have answered it this post and post 1430. 1424, 1405, 1290 and 741
    not liking the answer and the facts doesnt change the reality it was answered

    in the next post please point out the false contraindication that was claimed, thanks
    act remains
    i dont know one Christian affected negatively by equal rights and nondiscrimination laws
    none, zero, nota
    Apparently you're choosing to call them criminals rather than Christians. I knew there was a semantics game in there somewhere

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i said that sexual orientation is analogous to race. should a shop owner be able to kick out blacks for being black?
    If you want to talk about race, you'll have to find someone else to do it. You said yourself this bill was about gay people and religion, not race.

    I'll say it one more time. The law should require that everyone be served by someone who demands their labor, or the laws should be changed to leave it up to the business owner who presumably wants to stay in business and have a good business model.
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