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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He is wrong.

    The poster I responded to indicated that a business shouldn't be forced to serve a customer they don't want to serve.

    So, are you two stating that race or religion should be protected but sexuality should not?


    The Law Professor who writes for the LGBT Issues for the left is wrong. ..... ..... ...... .....


    You really should read the law again.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    "the blacks" wished for an age old system to be destroyed.

    how uppity, huh?
    When a business puts a sign in their window saying "No Gays Allowed", forces them sit in the back of buses, or makes them drink from seperate water fountains, get back to me... I guarantee I'll stand side by side with you to denounce those practices.

    Until then however, I will defend the first amendment and support Indiana's law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No. Both are selectively applied by Christians.
    The anti-Christians invariably rely on the Old Testament to guide what they think Christians should and shouldn't do as Christians, ignoring the New Testament entirely.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If they're behaving themselves, then of course the law should require the restaurant to serve them.
    Interesting. So when those same skinheads are throwing a party, and they demand that a black woman cater it, you'd oppose her declining the offer. If a slaughterhouse wants a Muslim owned commercial cleaning company to clean up the pig blood, you'd oppose them declining the offer.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The anti-Christians invariably rely on the Old Testament to guide what they think Christians should and shouldn't do as Christians, ignoring the New Testament entirely.
    Yeah I did mention that the only ones this really hurts.....are those that like to dump on people who are into religions. Which they will look to be the most vocal in trying to create that confusion and chaos.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The Law Professor who writes for the LGBT Issues for the left is wrong. ..... ..... ...... .....


    You really should read the law again.
    A business is going to file a suit under this law for their right to refuse service to homosexuals. They will argue that it substantially burdens their religious freedom to be made to serve homosexuals. It will be a long, expensive lawsuit with multiple appeals costing the Illinois taxpayers millions.

    It could have been avoided by adding language to clarify that aspect of the law. Such amendments were rejected. Why?

    Edit for clarification: I'm not saying this bill explicitly allows discrimination against homosexuals, or strengthens the ability to do so. I'm saying business owners are going to interpret it this way because that's exactly how it was sold to them in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    You know her?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. The Supreme Court has largely left intact the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The law was deemed an unconstitutional use of Congress' enforcement powers as it applied to the states, but that's about it. It still applies to the federal government. So now some states are using this law (which, incidentally, was introduced by one of the most liberal Democrats in Congress, Chuck Schumer, passed unanimously in in the House, and signed into law by Bill Clinton) as a model to answer the adoption of same-sex marriage within their borders by court decree. Since SCOTUS said the federal law doesn't apply to the states, some states felt they needed to close that argument. More recently SCOTUS has shown a tendency to uphold religious freedom, as in the Hobby Lobby case.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You realize this is the exact same thing same by the bigots back in 2004 when state after state had gay marriage bans right.

    Now in june they'll be shown their proper place - the lowest common denominator of hateful worthless trash

    This law and the others like it are entirely out of animus for a particular group and therefore are unconstitutional. It's only a matter of time, only indiana's reputation for this, like the south for jim crow, will *never* be forgotten
    You're being a little hyperbolic, first off Indiana has never had a law protecting sexual orientation as a protected class, so the new bill doesn't legalize discrimination, it was NEVER illegal to begin with. Yet all these self righteous people are suddenly now boycotting Indiana, that's the funny part.

    Second, the IRFRA is modeled word for word after a federal statute that passed unanimously in 1993.

    The original purpose of that law was that the Supreme Court had lowered the bar for protecting religious expression in a case dealing with ceremonial use of peyote by native tribes.

    All it does is set a standard for how courts weigh religious liberty claims. Please cite the section of statute that authorizes discrimination
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    1.)Then you self contradicted.
    2.) I merely wanted to set the record straight.
    3.) Thank you
    1.) nope didnt at all, you tried to twist what was actually said and failed
    2.) the record is straight what i said and what was claimed was said were totally different
    3.) you're welcome let me know if i can help out with any other mistakes in your posts

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They should have the option under scenario #2 to decline the offer of doing business with the couple. If you know someone hates you and/or your lifestyle, and it makes you uncomfortable dealing with them, you should have the right to walk away from the offer. That's why I think the law need to be updated or made right. In both cases I support the right of the business owner to not be forced into commerce.
    OK, so how far does this go? Employment and housing? So if your son has a job, doing well, 12 years there, and the employer finds out he's gay and fires him. OK?

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