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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So...

    1. A gay couple walks into a baker to order a wedding cake, the law provides the baker can use religion as a means to refuse service.

    2. Two weeks later the baker and his wife walk into a antique shop owned by the gay couple and the gay couple refuses to serve the baker because of the bakers religions beliefs.



    In event #1 the baker will be exempt from Public Accommodation laws because he acted on his religious beliefs, on the other hand the gay couple would be charged under the Public Accommodation law (if sexual orientation is covered by that State's law) and the complaint would proceed. They of course being in violation of both State and Federal law.

    Seems to me it the religious that are asking for the special treatment, i.e. Public Accommodation laws which are laws of general applicability that regulate commerce.




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    They should have the option under scenario #2 to decline the offer of doing business with the couple. If you know someone hates you and/or your lifestyle, and it makes you uncomfortable dealing with them, you should have the right to walk away from the offer. That's why I think the law need to be updated or made right. In both cases I support the right of the business owner to not be forced into commerce.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As long as they actually serve everyone, I would support that.
    My guess is that if a business advertised they would serve everyone, they would likely serve everyone

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They should have the option under scenario #2 to decline the offer of doing business with the couple. If you know someone hates you and/or your lifestyle, and it makes you uncomfortable dealing with them, you should have the right to walk away from the offer. That's why I think the law need to be updated or made right. In both cases I support the right of the business owner to not be forced into commerce.
    And when the only pharmacy for 60 miles puts up a "no Jews" sign in the window, what then?
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    "The business owner, who would not give his name or the name of his business, said he had told some LGBT “people” that equipment was broken in his restaurant and he couldn’t serve them even though it wasn’t and other people were already eating at the tables"


    These are the kinds of cowardly bigots the law caters to. They won't even admit they discriminate and lie about the reasons:

    One Restaurant Already Celebrated 'Religious Liberty' By Turning Away Gays | ThinkProgress
    Best guess is that was a homosexual pretending to be a restaurant owner, a false flag if you will. Like that black professor who trashed her own car with racial epithets painted on it and claimed it was done by racists

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's difficult to argue that it's not about discriminating against gays when the people who wrote it are some of th most vocal anti-gay bigots the state.

    also when amendments to clarify that by issue were struck down by the lawmakers. If it's not about discriminating, why did they block anti-discrimination language from the bill?

    Yet here is a Pro Gay Attorney who is a Law Professor, that says.....this is a whole lot of noise about nothing. As well as explaining out why those into religions need a law that protects their Rights thru RFRA and the Constitution.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They should have the option under scenario #2 to decline the offer of doing business with the couple. If you know someone hates you and/or your lifestyle, and it makes you uncomfortable dealing with them, you should have the right to walk away from the offer. That's why I think the law need to be updated or made right. In both cases I support the right of the business owner to not be forced into commerce.
    That is the crucial point in this. There is a difference between discriminating with sales out of store front and discriminating who you enter into a contract with.

    But this is all a ridiculous had waving exercise anyway since the Federal government and 19 other states have the exact same law in place, and it is not the blanket authorization to refuse service to gays. Hell, this law was introduced to the congress originally by Chuck Schumer.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Dunno, fishing for more information. My friend and his partner have live in the tiny town of Fairmount Indiana since 1980 and this type of thing is nothing new to them. It just may get worse now.
    So did you find out the details on this physician who coincidentally decided to refuse medial treatment to your friend on the exact same day that Pence signed this into law?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And when the only pharmacy for 60 miles puts up a "no Jews" sign in the window, what then?
    The law doesn't protect that. It's amazing how you let the left wing screw with your head...
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That is the crucial point in this. There is a difference between discriminating with sales out of store front and discriminating who you enter into a contract with.

    But this is all a ridiculous had waving exercise anyway since the Federal government and 19 other states have the exact same law in place, and it is not the blanket authorization to refuse service to gays. Hell, this law was introduced to the congress originally by Chuck Schumer.
    Not only did Schumer introduce the RFRA into being, SCOTUS Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg was one its biggest fans when she was a lawyer for the ACLU.
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