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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    way to not answer the questions
    and show your bigotry, to boot


    I know you won't answer this, but what would God think of you CAPITALIZING 'Homosexuals'?
    {I know what astute forum posters will note about you shifting away from 'the homos'}
    Since when was God worried about capitalization. It's the name of a group of people.

    I also understand it irks some because it make reference to 'sex'. :0
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    And apparently YOU FORGOT that your holy book says that first and foremost, you should leave judgement to a power above yourself
    The Confusion Between Judging and (Bold Rebuking, Warning or Correction.)

    The Bible Says to Correct, Rebuke & be Bold to Sinners. What is Judging?
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    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Evangelicals seem unable to separate the two...sin from sinner. Because most of their hate and discrimination is aimed right at the sinner. A sin can not order a cake. A sin can not order flowers.

    Sounds like a plight of conscience.

    The silly part is this is over cake and flowers.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And what about the person denied access to society simply because someone doesn't like who they are and not because of their character?

    What sort of free society do they live in knowing that they stand an incredible likelihood being denied access to the basic structures that you people associate with freedom and liberty?

    Libertarians understand only a small portion of what freedom actually means. Their obliviousness to culture only ensures that minorities (race, religion, gender, age, disability, sexual orientation) who are not liked by culture will be second class citizens at best.
    Denied access to society? Who in this country is denied access to society, except the poor people who are being locked up by relatives and caretakers and kidnappers?

    Libertarians are debating in this thread, yes, and if you don't care for their posts, you need to take it up with them. I'm not debating what political parties see and say. I'm talking about this law.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    do you trim your hair or beard?
    eat shellfish or pork?
    have a flat nose?
    wear clothes made of more than one fabric?
    Forget it ....not going to go there.
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    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Forget it ....not going to go there.

    as someone afraid of their holy book probably would

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    You trying to bait me?
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Since when was God worried about capitalization. It's the name of a group of people.

    I also understand it irks some because it make reference to 'sex'. :0
    "yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."


    I dunno, kinda seems important in granting divine ascribation.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    A

    It hurt business here when Brewer signed the bill. A year later it was felt. Big new convention center and no one using it or hotels or golf courses.
    And the tourism revenue in Arizona is up.

    If you're talking about the Phoenix Convention Center, the bookings have gone up every year from the year they went down, and they also attribute that to the competition from the other new convention centers, including the ones in San Diego and a few other western cities, which have remained flat in bookings.

    It had an impact because people want to make a "statement". I guess Brewer and Pence are politicians who don't respond to threats or bribes of revenue in order to pass laws that they believe in.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Christians don't 'tolerate' sin. They forgive the sinner. As a matter of fact they wage war on sin.

    IMO, 'some' Christians [and those of other faiths] have become way too submissive in regards to 'tolerating' sin.
    I'm really not sure what you're saying. Should gays be criminalized and jailed in this "war?" Is it OK to fire them from their jobs for being gay, ostracized from normal society? Denied service at restaurants? Etc.

    But you're illustrating pretty well the intolerance that gays want to "destroy." Essentially, your religious beliefs are yours and those who adhere to similar values. In a theocracy, you get to impose those views on all others. In our diverse society that values individual freedom, the right to worship your God, other gods, or no god at all is pretty high on our list of national values.

    Jesus was crucified to take away our sins but, he said to go forth and sin NO MORE. Apparently some forgot that part.
    To be blunt, what Jesus said only matters to Christians, and there is obviously a pretty large variation among Christians on what constitutes a sin. As you know there are churches who accept homosexuals. My gay brother has gone to church his entire life. Do you get veto power over those churches?

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