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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There's no comparison there.

    how in the world do you come to that conclusion, other than your own biases?

    slavery is as old as the bible (if not more so)
    "the blacks" were oppressed with it, especially in the early history of the usa
    land owning "wasps" were essentially codified as THE protected class prior to the Civil War

    it's a striking comparison, especially given your use of vile coded language

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    If it were me, I wouldn't give privilege to deviant behavior. You want to live your life outside the boundaries of normality, do it on your own without the help of our laws..
    Why? Where in the Constitution does it say the laws are yours? Who are you to decide who protected under the Constitution.

    Your Bible is yours. You have the right to believe and practice as you wish...except your Bible is not the Supreme Law of the land. The Constitution is.

    You may not accept that fact, but that is neither here or there.

    The Constitution is a work in progress. As it was meant to be.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    On the state level. [see the 10th amendment which has been overlooked here] it does and should.
    The 10th amendment does not give the states carte blance to discriminate.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    how in the world do you come to that conclusion, other than your own biases?

    slavery is as old as the bible (if not more so)
    "the blacks" were oppressed with it, especially in the early history of the usa
    land owning "wasps" were essentially codified as THE protected class prior to the Civil War

    it's a striking comparison, especially given your use of vile coded language
    I don't think the poster thinks in terms of blacks or Christians as being protected classes.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I don't think the poster thinks in terms of blacks or Christians as being protected classes.
    I know what you're saying, it just (surprisingly so even after 26 years of being online in some form) boggles the mind some of the guano-crazy stuff that
    people will come up with. I really, sadly, truly, think even though we have "progress", that society is devolving intellectually (Idiocracy, if you will)

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    How does a law protect a right in the Constitution?

    That is like saying the wax on your car gives you added protection to your seat belts and air bags.
    It does. People see you coming.

    Needless to say, Indiana's RFRA is getting a bad rap. I'm waiting for the protests in the 19 other states with the same law on the books, the additional 11 states that support the same via case law, and Federal act of the same name, but I'm not going to hold my breathe. Its the protest of the day, and next week when something new happens, all the neo-hippies will run to that cause.

    The law doesn't protect ad-hoc discrimination, and it gives a clear avenue for normal, non-burdensome state interests to trump. I doubt anyone can point to where RFRA was used, in any state or federal case, for ad-hoc, "Not going to serve <insert group name> here!" discrimination.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Say a devout Muslim who believes homosexuality is wrong owns a quadriplex and occupies one of the units himself. Does a state law that requires him to rent to homosexuals violate anything in the Constitution? If so, what, exactly, and why? And if it is not unconstitutional in that application, what if it required him to rent the other unit in a duplex he occupied to homosexuals? What if he is renting a room in the house he and his family live in? Can the implied constitutional right of privacy include the right to abortion, as the Supreme Court held in Roe v. Wade, and yet not include a person's right to privacy at home with his family?

    If discrimination against homosexuals is sheer bigotry, why tolerate it at all? Why not require people to include homosexuals in the people they invite to parties in their homes? Why not prohibit the local poker group or book club that meets in a member's house from excluding homosexuals? Why allow a person to discriminate against someone of the same sex in their choice of marriage partners? Would laws that did these things violate anything in the Constitution? If so, what, exactly, and why?
    The simple answer to your questions is that there are several rights and interests that come into conflict and the govt has the power to find the appropriate balance to use in order to resolve the conflict.

    But you already know this.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Say a devout Muslim who believes homosexuality is wrong owns a quadriplex and occupies one of the units himself. Does a state law that requires him to rent to homosexuals violate anything in the Constitution? If so, what, exactly, and why? And if it is not unconstitutional in that application, what if it required him to rent the other unit in a duplex he occupied to homosexuals?

    did you have a stroke in the middle of composing this screed?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    how in the world do you come to that conclusion, other than your own biases?

    slavery is as old as the bible (if not more so)
    "the blacks" were oppressed with it, especially in the early history of the usa
    land owning "wasps" were essentially codified as THE protected class prior to the Civil War

    it's a striking comparison, especially given your use of vile coded language
    My people were oppressed with it but, the homosexuals can't say it's happened to them. None of it.

    Maybe you should look up the word 'vile'.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Why? Where in the Constitution does it say the laws are yours? Who are you to decide who protected under the Constitution.

    Your Bible is yours. You have the right to believe and practice as you wish...except your Bible is not the Supreme Law of the land. The Constitution is.

    You may not accept that fact, but that is neither here or there.

    The Constitution is a work in progress. As it was meant to be.
    Oh yes, the 'living breathing document' meme. Talk about a slippery slope.
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