Page 138 of 320 FirstFirst ... 3888128136137138139140148188238 ... LastLast
Results 1,371 to 1,380 of 3196

Thread: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

  1. #1371
    Battle Ready
    Grim17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Southwestern U.S.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:30 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    23,897
    Blog Entries
    20

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Churches being tax exempt was done for very good reasons. One of which I not only expected you to know, but to celebrate... It was to preserve the separation of religion and government, because with no financial dealings between the 2 of them, the government can't use their taxation power to destroy a particular church, nor can it use financial preference to curry favor, influence or buy religious support or endorsements.

  2. #1372
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    06-05-15 @ 07:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Communist
    Posts
    2,264

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Churches being tax exempt was done for very good reasons. One of which I not only expected you to know, but to celebrate... It was to preserve the separation of religion and government, because with no financial dealings between the 2 of them, the government can't use their taxation power to destroy a particular church, nor can it use financial preference to curry favor, influence or buy religious support or endorsements.
    The issue with that is, churches that discuss and influence politics are exempt as well.

  3. #1373
    Educator
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    742

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    how does one determine that someone's religious belief is sincere ?
    One supposes it is determined much like any other consideration of motive in law. As the issue of sincerity in prior exercise of religious exemption cases (e.g. Hobby Lobby) are rare or never documented, it's not a realistic concern.

  4. #1374
    Battle Ready
    Grim17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Southwestern U.S.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:30 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    23,897
    Blog Entries
    20

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    The issue with that is, churches that discuss and influence politics are exempt as well.
    Why shouldn't they be? Religious people have the same freedom of speech as anyone else. I don't have a problem with a religion having political views and preferences, because they are just as much congressional constituents and American citizens as anyone else.

    Their exemption isn't a privilege that's subject to conditions, or a trade off for political nuetrality like a 501-C. Their tax exempt status is vital to assure that religion and government can't have power and influience over each other, and to assure that the government can't use taxation as a means to abridge freedom of religion...

  5. #1375
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    06-05-15 @ 07:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Communist
    Posts
    2,264

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Why shouldn't they be? Religious people have the same freedom of speech as anyone else. I don't have a problem with a religion having political views and preferences, because they are just as much congressional constituents and American citizens as anyone else.

    Their exemption isn't a privilege that's subject to conditions, or a trade off for political nuetrality like a 501-C. Their tax exempt status is vital to assure that religion and government can't have power and influience over each other, and to assure that the government can't use taxation as a means to abridge freedom of religion...
    The churches are having an influence on the government, isn't that power and influence?

  6. #1376
    Battle Ready
    Grim17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Southwestern U.S.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:30 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    23,897
    Blog Entries
    20

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    The churches are having an influence on the government, isn't that power and influence?
    I'm talking about financial influence to threaten or curry favor from religious leaders, not influence through the expression of personal opinions. As I said, their tax exempt status is not a conditional privilege requiring political neutrality, but a standard vital in maintaining and preserving the first amendment of the Constitution.

  7. #1377
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    06-05-15 @ 07:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Communist
    Posts
    2,264

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I'm talking about financial influence to threaten or curry favor from religious leaders, not influence through the expression of personal opinions. As I said, their tax exempt status is not a conditional privilege requiring political neutrality, but a standard vital in maintaining and preserving the first amendment of the Constitution.
    Really? If religion is going to influence politics, churches that go about doing this need to be taxed, if we're supposed to be keeping them separate..

    a) "In God We Trust" was printed on the money being in the 1950's. This motto would not pass the lemon test (government shall not promote any religion).
    b) Although it shouldn't be anybody's business, politicians' religious beliefs are put in the spot light. For example, many claimed Obama is a Muslim and didn't want to vote for him because of that. Romney is a Mormon.
    c) People are trying to throw out science and teach religion in our public schools. Religion has no place in these schools to brainwash our children. School is for learning and evolution is fact, not creationism or ID.
    d) During holidays, there are posted signs of "keep Christ in Christmas" on public/government property. Besides being inaccurate, this will not pass the lemon test.
    e) Politicians and others are using their religion as bases for laws such as gay marriage and abortion. No religion should be forced on everybody (freedom of religion).

  8. #1378
    Battle Ready
    Grim17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Southwestern U.S.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:30 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    23,897
    Blog Entries
    20

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Really? If religion is going to influence politics, churches that go about doing this need to be taxed, if we're supposed to be keeping them separate..

    a) "In God We Trust" was printed on the money being in the 1950's. This motto would not pass the lemon test (government shall not promote any religion).
    b) Although it shouldn't be anybody's business, politicians' religious beliefs are put in the spot light. For example, many claimed Obama is a Muslim and didn't want to vote for him because of that. Romney is a Mormon.
    c) People are trying to throw out science and teach religion in our public schools. Religion has no place in these schools to brainwash our children. School is for learning and evolution is fact, not creationism or ID.
    d) During holidays, there are posted signs of "keep Christ in Christmas" on public/government property. Besides being inaccurate, this will not pass the lemon test.
    e) Politicians and others are using their religion as bases for laws such as gay marriage and abortion. No religion should be forced on everybody (freedom of religion).
    OMG... I should have known better to try and have a reasonable, rational conversation with a person who is an unabashed communist. I feel silly for thinking that might not turn out like this.

    I'm out.

  9. #1379
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    06-05-15 @ 07:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Communist
    Posts
    2,264

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    OMG... I should have known better to try and have a reasonable, rational conversation with a person who is an unabashed communist. I feel silly for thinking that might not turn out like this.

    I'm out.
    We are having a reasonable conversation, I'm showing the influence religion has had, and continues to have on politics. Wait, because I am a communist, I am not rational? I'm getting tired of this one liner BS.

  10. #1380
    Sage
    Phys251's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    12,149

    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    We are having a reasonable conversation, I'm showing the influence religion has had, and continues to have on politics. Wait, because I am a communist, I am not rational? I'm getting tired of this one liner BS.
    Don't you get it? They're allowed to fling feces on you, but you're not allowed to point out how filthy their words are, let alone clean yourself off. What are you, some kind of rationalist?
    "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." --Hillary Rodham Clinton

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •