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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Please explain
    "Business owners ought not to have to bend to every protected class"


    yet a protected class is asking others to bend over for them.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    "Business owners ought not to have to bend to every protected class"


    yet a protected class is asking others to bend over for them.
    Show me how the religious are a protected class.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, but I can read a map. I can't see anyplace in Alaska that might not have more than one bakery within 500 miles. Perhaps you can be more specific?
    I have heard that the homosexual Eskimo community in Alaska is poorly served when it comes to wedding cakes. It seems they often have to have them flown in from more than 500 miles away at great expense.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Show me how the religious are a protected class.
    Really now?
    Freedom of religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    DOMA?
    Churches exempt from taxes?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Show me how the religious are a protected class.
    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, it simply makes light of your "one cake shop in 500 miles" argument. The biggest problem in that scenario is that you've got a single cake shop serving one or more entire states. Sounds like an economic opportunity to me.
    Exactly. Where are the entrepreneurial homosexual bakers, when there is so much unmet demand? Maybe states should have laws that require people to open businesses, wherever a government agency has decided there are too few of a given type to suit the convenience of homosexual residents.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    DOMA was rejected by the SCOTUS and denied by the Feds.

    Churches being exempt from taxes doesn't protect anyone. [it's not individuals]
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Looks to me like the Pence law is correct and homosexuals are attacking religious rights.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    I heard someone on one of the Sunday morning political shows say this law will be like the early 60's in the south, where you see signs on store front windows saying "We don't serve 'whoever'" (she was alluding to black people of course) and without realizing it, she exposed the flaw in her argument against the new law.

    A baker for example, refusing to create/provide a cake for a gay wedding because gay marriage violates their religious beliefs, isn't discrimination and it's well within their rights to refuse to do so... However, that same baker refusing to serve gay people period, because homosexuality violates their religious beliefs, is unjustified discrimination in my view.

    The difference between the 2 is clear.. Not wanting to take part in, or provide services for, an event (gay marriage) that violates the bakers religious beliefs, is in my view perfectly justified... However, serving gay people in general who are there for example just to buy a cake for general consumption, isn't violating the bakers religious beliefs, because selling goods to gay people doesn't facilitate the gay lifestyle, nor does it translate into an endorsement of homosexuality... Therefore, if the baker refuses to serve gay people in general, that is discrimination against gay people and it just flat out wrong.

    From what I gather, this law isn't designed to allow businesses to freely discriminate against various groups of people they don't like or disagree with, but to protect them from being forced to facilitate or participate in, an event or activity that truly violates or compromises their religious principals and beliefs. It's kind of like being a second amendment advocate that owns a gun shop, who overhears someone on the phone saying they wanted to shoot one of their neighbors, and then refusing to sell them a revolver 5 minutes later. It comes down to a persons morals and beliefs, and as long as we aren't talking about a life or death situations, nobody should be forced to have to violate either of them in order to make a living.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I heard someone on one of the Sunday morning political shows say this law will be like the early 60's in the south, where you see signs on store front windows saying "We don't serve 'whoever'" (she was alluding to black people of course) and without realizing it, she exposed the flaw in her argument against the new law.

    A baker for example, refusing to create/provide a cake for a gay wedding because gay marriage violates their religious beliefs, isn't discrimination and it's well within their rights to refuse to do so... However, that same baker refusing to serve gay people period, because homosexuality violates their religious beliefs, is unjustified discrimination in my view.

    The difference between the 2 is clear.. Not wanting to take part in, or provide services for, an event (gay marriage) that violates the bakers religious beliefs, is in my view perfectly justified... However, serving gay people in general who are there for example just to buy a cake for general consumption, isn't violating the bakers religious beliefs, because selling goods to gay people doesn't facilitate the gay lifestyle, nor does it translate into an endorsement of homosexuality... Therefore, if the baker refuses to serve gay people in general, that is discrimination against gay people and it just flat out wrong.

    From what I gather, this law isn't designed to allow businesses to freely discriminate against various groups of people they don't like or disagree with, but to protect them from being forced to facilitate or participate in, an event or activity that truly violates or compromises their religious principals and beliefs. It's kind of like being a second amendment advocate that owns a gun shop, who overhears someone on the phone saying they wanted to shoot one of their neighbors, and then refusing to sell them a revolver 5 minutes later. It comes down to a persons morals and beliefs, and as long as we aren't talking about a life or death situations, nobody should be forced to have to violate either of them in order to make a living.
    Good post, Grim. I would say I pretty much agree with you, here.
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