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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Where in the bible does it say you have to sell to everybody even if it violates your conscience?
    Maybe not "sell to everybody" but it does say ". . . sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Matthew 19:21
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Where in the bible does it say you have to sell to everybody even if it violates your conscience?
    where in the Constitution does it say the Bible is the law of the land.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There are several pages of differences. None of Indiana's law is the same as the federal RFRA
    Nope...Here are the specific protection of religious liberty in both laws:

    Here's the text of the federal RFRA:

    Government may substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion only if it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person—

    (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and

    (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

    And here is the text of Indiana's RFRA:

    A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Nope...Here are the specific protection of religious liberty in both laws:
    SIgnificantly different because they define exercise of religion in a completely different manner.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    never been to Alaska, huh?
    No, but I can read a map. I can't see anyplace in Alaska that might not have more than one bakery within 500 miles. Perhaps you can be more specific?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We don't need to do this again. Here's how your article starts:



    Not quite true. If he personally "stood for Christian values' no one cares. They do care when his foundation spends millions supporting groups dedicated to banning or preventing SSM. The former is a belief on how best to live his life (like him I'm also still married to my first wife), the latter is an effort to enforce his beliefs on the rest of the country. Apples and dump trucks.
    That's his right to do so. And no it's him adding is two cents. [so to speak]

    The truth is, we are working from an entirely different worldview paradigm than the non-believers, and our motives are different from what they think.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    They are not asked to bend, they are asked to not discriminate and break the law.

    They are a business, period.

    And this has nothing to with unelected federal judges but with constitutional rights and federal laws.
    They just changed the law, Bro.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Yet religion is a protected class. How Ironic.
    Please explain
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They just changed the law, Bro.
    Not if they change the federal public accommodation laws, I doubt the supreme court will allow that one to stand.
    toward that end the tactics and the strategies that people resort to in carrying out this ideologically driven agenda of what they call “pro-life” which is really pro-fetus does not have anything to do with the lives of babies after they’re born or the women who bear them.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Not if they change the federal public accommodation laws, I doubt the supreme court will allow that one to stand.
    It won't go to the SCOTUS first, if at all.. That's where the other unelected federal judges come into play.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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