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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There is zero chance that this stands up. Zilch.
    Well then the federal law shouldn't either, I eagerly await your challenge to it.

    Keep us updated.

    I peg it 60-40 in favor of being upheld, Indiana is in the most consertative appeal court circuit in the country. And SCOTUS will not be reviewing this case. In fact 20 states have similar laws and I've not heard about those laws being challenged. The only people upset about this are the people who cruised around town looking for the one bakery out of ten with bible verses on the door to jack up. Unless you are a trouble maker you have literally no chance of this being a proble
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not for long. The taxpayers of Indiana are going to spend millions to fight this law which will be struck without a doubt. Enjoy your bigotry while you can because it won't last.
    Since Indiana is one of several states that have this law and the law is just like the federal law, there isn't much chance it will be seriously challenged. Especially since it is fully supported by the First Amendment, the Law of the Land

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not for long. The taxpayers of Indiana are going to spend millions to fight this law which will be struck without a doubt. Enjoy your bigotry while you can because it won't last.
    Wrong on Indiana and wrong on the law.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Since Indiana is one of several states that have this law and the law is just like the federal law, there isn't much chance it will be seriously challenged. Especially since it is fully supported by the First Amendment, the Law of the Land
    It differs from the federal law and the RFRA laws passed in most states. Governor Mike Pence says the Indiana legislature will convene this week to "clarify" the law (bring it into compliance with federal law).

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Pence is already backtracking. The backlash from businesses threatening to take their business elsewhere will probably have a bigger effect than the courts.

    But if it does go to court it has a very good chance of being overturned. Because again Indiana's RFRA is much different and much broader than the RFRA laws in other states. From what I'm reading Indiana's RFRA is a mess.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    To me the boy scouts of America are not a public accommodation and neither is the St. Patrick's Day Parade. We are talking about things that are somewhat essential and should be open to everybody like food stores, hotels, motels, gas stations, cinema's, etc.
    Whether you think those things were public accommodations doesn't matter. What matters--and what mattered to the people who were forced to defend themselves at great expense--is that the state laws involved considered them that. The state law at issue in a third Supreme Court decision on this subject defined the Jaycees, an organization with several hundred thousand members, as a public accommodation.

    You are talking about those essential places, but many state public accommodations laws are talking about much more. Almost any difficult question can be made to seem simple if you ignore enough of the troublesome details.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com



    Wow. WTF Indiana????
    You trying to out-religious the bible-belt states?
    Is Indiana becoming Mississippi2.0 or something?

    This is going to be interesting to watch.
    I don't think the bill mentions gay people at all. You are misinformed. The bill addresses religious freedom.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Pence is already backtracking. The backlash from businesses threatening to take their business elsewhere will probably have a bigger effect than the courts.

    But if it does go to court it has a very good chance of being overturned. Because again Indiana's RFRA is much different and much broader than the RFRA laws in other states. From what I'm reading Indiana's RFRA is a mess.
    I don't hear him backtracking on George SteXXXXXopolis, this morning.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It differs from the federal law and the RFRA laws passed in most states. Governor Mike Pence says the Indiana legislature will convene this week to "clarify" the law (bring it into compliance with federal law).
    Woo hoo, another baseless divination of a "truthie" by a member pro-gay rights crowd. By the way, did you actually read the law (that's actually a rhetorical question)? Do you have any reason to ASSUME, other than your baseless speculation, that Pence's desire for clarification means it is not in compliance with federal law? Nope.

    FACT: As stated previously, the law is nearly identical to the federal law. There are no significant differences.

    ...Here's the text of the federal RFRA:

    Government may burden a person's exercise of religion only if it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person --

    (1) furthers a compelling governmental interest; and

    (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

    And here is the text of Indiana's RFRA:

    A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.
    Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Explained | The Weekly Standard

    Might it be that Pence is trying to sooth the hysterical pro-gay rights loons and their fellow-traveling nitwits (and spineless institutional groups?). Naaaawwww.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Pence is already backtracking. The backlash from businesses threatening to take their business elsewhere will probably have a bigger effect than the courts.

    But if it does go to court it has a very good chance of being overturned. Because again Indiana's RFRA is much different and much broader than the RFRA laws in other states. From what I'm reading Indiana's RFRA is a mess.
    You mean he is trying to sooth the ninnies who of the mob of ignorati who are soliciting fear and loathing, and dampen the terror of the cowed business community. Read the law bucko, no substantive difference.

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