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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm saying the Bakers are trying to assume the same old bully pulpit by denying service in a place of public accommodation.
    Do you have a right to decide to not commence in commerce with anyone you want for any reason you want? If so, why do you deny business owners that right?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    I will state that: no, I have never allowed myself to be in a position to persecuted.
    That has nothing to do with your choices. Nothing. This is what you (plural) choose not to understand. And furthermore, something else you (plural) choose not to understand is this:

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. Nor is it really even about the businesses that are already starting to discriminate.

    This is about LGBTs who face discrimination, bullying, hatred, and disenfranchisement from hateful people who are given the power to hate.
    This is about people who suffer a much higher rate of suicide because of this.
    This is about people who are legally forbidden from expressing their love the same way that straight couples are allowed to.

    You think this is about you? And what rights YOU have? That is the living definition of narcissism. You choose to believe that the imaginary oppression you might face at not having power over people whose behavior you don't like is more important than the real oppression that LGBTs face every day of their lives from ***holes who choose not to follow basic, common-sense standards of decent human behavior.

    But guess what. This is 2015. And the same Constitution that you think gives businesses the right to discriminate, gives LGBTs and their allies the right to LOUDLY tell the ***holes to go to hell. And that is exactly what we intend to do.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    There is nothing to concede, as it is a claim I did not make. In spite of your inability to ask an unloaded question, I will state that: no, I have never allowed myself to be in a position to persecuted. Like any potential PC victim, I never state my actual views on certain issues around gays (most of whom are intolerant). The few that I know really well are incapable of discussing these issues without becoming drama queens.
    So being told off for bigotry is the same as being denied basic services and the state government going out of its way to target you for discrimination, got it!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That's always a good move
    You saw the reasons why, right? How can I possibly challenge the best poster on this entire website?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That has nothing to do with your choices. Nothing. This is what you (plural) choose not to understand. And furthermore, something else you (plural) choose not to understand is this:

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. Nor is it really even about the businesses that are already starting to discriminate.

    This is about LGBTs who face discrimination, bullying, hatred, and disenfranchisement from hateful people who are given the power to hate.
    This is about people who suffer a much higher rate of suicide because of this.
    This is about people who are legally forbidden from expressing their love the same way that straight couples are allowed to.

    You think this is about you? And what rights YOU have? That is the living definition of narcissism. You choose to believe that the imaginary oppression you might face at not having power over people whose behavior you don't like is more important than the real oppression that LGBTs face every day of their lives from ***holes who choose not to follow basic, common-sense standards of decent human behavior.

    But guess what. This is 2015. And the same Constitution that you think gives businesses the right to discriminate, gives LGBTs and their allies the right to LOUDLY tell the ***holes to go to hell. And that is exactly what we intend to do.
    That was a long ass post to just say I have a right to force you to trade with me.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You saw the reasons why, right? How can I possibly challenge the best poster on this entire website?
    Good point!!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So being told off for bigotry is the same as being denied basic services and the state government going out of its way to target you for discrimination, got it!
    You are not owed anything from other human beings. That might shock you and even disgust you, but it's a fact.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    As opposed to some who know that it takes all of five minutes for a critic of libertarians and the market to pull out an old chestnut - failing to understand that the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.

    Need I explain it to you, or were you just doing a drive-by snarl?
    libertarian is a joke because it can never grasp that "liberty" for one group actually only creates oppression of another, all while proving no expansion of liberty whatsoever on the part of the first group, because they were never made to sacrifice anything to begin with. Oh boo hoo, you're a landlord who can't evict someone over something they are born with and that makes no difference, oh god no!

    This issue perfectly exposes the hypocrisy and uselessness of that entire mindset. I see clearly now that libertarians are just republicans in denial

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That was a long ass post to just say I have a right to force you to trade with me.
    See, as Phys says, it's not about you. It's not about "forcing" you. It's about protecting minorities from being ostracized from society. If you really can't view any political questions in terms of anything but your own gain, then you have nothing useful to contribute and no one should listen to you.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    libertarian is a joke because it can never grasp that "liberty" for one group actually only creates oppression of another, all while proving no expansion of liberty whatsoever on the part of the first group, because they were never made to sacrifice anything to begin with. Oh boo hoo, you're a landlord who can't evict someone over something they are born with and that makes no difference, oh god no!

    This issue perfectly exposes the hypocrisy and uselessness of that entire mindset. I see clearly now that libertarians are just republicans in denial
    What are you talking about? The landlord owns the property and the renter is there at his behest. There is nothing wrong with standing for the landlords right to remove anyone renting his property.

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