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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    This is just another exercise in dumbassery. This time it was the Indiana Teabaggers.

    Here is what I'd do in Indiana. So I run a business in Indiana and a vocal and known Teabagger politico comes into my establishment. **** him. I happen to support civil rights for all people. I would refuse any state legislator who voted for the bill discriminating against gays and lesbians. I would refuse their business on the basis that the said legislative customer was gay. Let them take that to the press!










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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    There seems to be a profound ignorance of what Indiana's new law actually is, regardless of one's views of the morality of discrimination law.

    Fact: Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act is substantively the same as the first RFRA, the 1993 federal law signed into law by Bill Clinton, passed unanimously passed the House of Representatives, and sponsored by then-congressman Chuck Schumer. And it passed the Senate on a 97-3 vote.

    FACT: Like the federal law, the law establishes the balancing test for courts to apply in State law religious liberty cases (a standard had been used by the Supreme Court for decades). It allows a person's free exercise of religion to be "substantially burdened" by a law only if the law furthers a "compelling governmental interest" in the "least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest." ... Just like it is now in the federal government and many States.

    FACT: Yes, sometimes a person making a religious claim will win an exemption, sometimes they won't. Just as it is now for the federal government, and many states.

    FACT: Since 1997 the federal courts found that the RFRA is inapplicable to State laws. Since then, 20 states have enacted their own RFRA statutes. Other states have state court rulings that provide RFRA-like protections. Here's a link to a map from 2014 that shows you which states have RFRA protections (note that Mississippi and Indiana have passed RFRA since this map was made) and RFRA like protection...a total of 31). 31 states have heightened religious freedom protections - The Washington Post.

    FACT: Gay grievance mongers and "progressive" hysterics reacted as if Jim Crow and the KKK had returned to seize Indiana, and filled the airwaves and print press with wailing hyperbolic rage and tears. Lurid headlines followed with the liberal-left MSM such as:

    "Indiana Law Denounced as Invitation to Discriminate Against Gays" (NYT)
    "Pence signs bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers" (CNN)

    Shameless nonsense from the half-wits of the "educated" class.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    This regime is tyrannical!!! It's requiring businesses open to the public to serve ALL the public. Oh, the HORROR!!
    Forcing someone to act against their conscience is indeed tyranny

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Indeed a perverted interpenetration of the First Amendment.
    Is that a Freudian slip seeing as how a lot of this discussion revolves around homosexuality?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The law will never stand. Thanks to the Governor and the legislature...the people of Indiana are going to spend millions of taxpayer dollars defending a law that will be stricken without question. Not to mentions that damage in billions that will be done to their state as a result.
    It depends, an activist district court judge may strike it down, but in reLity it will probably be upheld, it's limited enough in scope that it in many ways mirrors existing federal laws.

    This law only provides an option, not a mandate. The segregation laws on the south were mandatory, you had to segregate your business. This is not
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    No one cares about your stupid hippy logic
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Just to be clear the federal RFRA and the Indiana RFRA are to separate laws that will be used differently.
    How did you reach that conclusion?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    This is just another exercise in dumbassery. This time it was the Indiana Teabaggers.

    Here is what I'd do in Indiana. So I run a business in Indiana and a vocal and known Teabagger politico comes into my establishment. **** him. I happen to support civil rights for all people. I would refuse any state legislator who voted for the bill discriminating against gays and lesbians. I would refuse their business on the basis that the said legislative customer was gay. Let them take that to the press!
    Great! No problems there.

    There is a coffee shop in oregon that refuses to serve cops. More power to then
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In his own words

    Is Andrew Sullivan a conservative? - POLITICO.com

    He's a conservative; He's just not a wingnut.

    And the gay rights movement started long before the issue of SSM because contentious
    He can call himself a lavender elephant if he wishes, but it does not change my original notation of what policy positions he presently supports. Very little of what he currently supports is "conservative", the majority being liberal-libertarian. He wrote about and supported gay marriage LONG before it was fashionable, condemns Israel, criticizes Obama's failure to deal with torture, and strongly advocates Obamacare. Tell me how those are iconic "conservative" policy opinions?

    Your opinion on the state Sullivan's politics is horribly dated. Read his Daily Dish, in the last seven to ten years he has moved on.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It depends, an activist district court judge may strike it down, but in reLity it will probably be upheld, it's limited enough in scope that it in many ways mirrors existing federal laws.

    This law only provides an option, not a mandate. The segregation laws on the south were mandatory, you had to segregate your business. This is not
    Read my post - no sane judge is going to strike a law that is a mirror of the federal, and 20ty other, State laws. This is much ado about nothing (other than gay - progressive bullying).

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Forcing someone to act against their conscience is indeed tyranny
    Yeah it is. If I want to incite violence against other people, forcing me to STFU would be tyranny.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." --First Amendment to the United States Constitution

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