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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Andrew Sullivan is a self-described conservative who wasn't even born when the gay rights movement began
    Andrew Sullivan, regardless of his affection for Oakshot (ian) UK branded conservatism has explicitly adopted support of mostly liberal policies (including Obamacare). He is not a political conservative and may, at best, be an iconoclast...regardless of what label he chooses.

    Finally, he was born in 1963, long before the modern demands for same sex marriage rights.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    You can either adhere to the process or rebuke the process... you have choice. You can leave the plantation any time you choose.
    Pretty hard to leave you are surrounded by nothing but other plantations.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Pretty hard to leave you are surrounded by nothing but other plantations.
    Yeah, it's like saying to a slave you can escape whenever you want.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It depends. Is it a private residence or a business open to the public? If it is the latter, then the business owner cannot ask someone to leave for reasons the violate anti-discrimination laws. Ever heard of the lunch-counters in the 50-60's? White Bigot business owners would love to be able to make black people to leave...but the law doesn't allow it. Same with these news attempts at similar actions.
    Civil Rights violations would need to be proven in a court of law with a lawsuit. Because a white person asks a black person to leave their business does not automatically make it a civil rights issue. Context and the situation must be explored in court.. A business who cuts their clientele by excluding them puts their business at risk. Not necessarily a smart thing to do. Now back to this situation - a private business has the right to ask anyone to leave their premises. If they do not leave, the business owner can call the police and sign a complaint that the person is trespassing. Continued trespassing will incur additional charges. If the person who was removed believes they are being discriminated against - they can file suit against the business owner. Again, the court or a jury will decide.

    None of that changes private property rights. Private property rights are not dismissed because one party screams "bigot", even if the claim of "bigot" is true.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Andrew Sullivan, regardless of his affection for Oakshot (ian) UK branded conservatism has explicitly adopted support of mostly liberal policies (including Obamacare). He is not a political conservative and may, at best, be an iconoclast...regardless of what label he chooses.

    Finally, he was born in 1963, long before the modern demands for same sex marriage rights.
    In his own words

    Amazon.com: 0060188774: Books

    My conservative lineage is an idiosyncratic one...
    Andrew Sullivan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sullivan's Burkean conservativism is rooted in his British Catholic background and in the political philosophy of his mentor, Michael Oakeshott.[1][2]
    Sullivan describes himself as a conservative and is the author of The Conservative Soul. He has supported a number of traditional libertarian positions. He favours limited government and opposes interventionist measures such as affirmative action.[31]
    Is Andrew Sullivan a conservative? - POLITICO.com
    We ask Andrew Sullivan:

    Do you still consider yourself a conservative?

    Andrew Sullivan replies:

    Absolutely. I wrote a book on my conservatism, 'The Conservative Soul.' But in so far as the word has been hijacked by religious fundamentalists and emotionally arrested Randians, I am not one of them. I'd fit easily into a conservative party in any other western democracy. But the GOP is a rogue in the western world - the most extremist right-wing party in any modern democracy by a mile. Banning all abortion and all gay marriages? Denying climate change science?

    They're not conservatives, they're the loony right.
    He's a conservative; He's just not a wingnut.

    And the gay rights movement started long before the issue of SSM because contentious
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Hardly. They are forced to provide their labor, service, property and association to another human being. I''m entirely right in calling that involuntary servitude.
    Nope. You can believe that all you want in your fantasy world....the problem you have is that the laws of this great country disagree with you. Sorry...but that's the way it is.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Civil Rights violations would need to be proven in a court of law with a lawsuit. Because a white person asks a black person to leave their business does not automatically make it a civil rights issue. Context and the situation must be explored in court.. A business who cuts their clientele by excluding them puts their business at risk. Not necessarily a smart thing to do. Now back to this situation - a private business has the right to ask anyone to leave their premises. If they do not leave, the business owner can call the police and sign a complaint that the person is trespassing. Continued trespassing will incur additional charges. If the person who was removed believes they are being discriminated against - they can file suit against the business owner. Again, the court or a jury will decide.

    None of that changes private property rights. Private property rights are not dismissed because one party screams "bigot", even if the claim of "bigot" is true.
    None of your diatribe changes the facts. If a business opens itself to the public they have to comply with the laws. Sure....excluding one person would be hard to show a violation...but if there is a pattern it becomes pretty easy.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Hardly. They are forced to provide their labor, service, property and association to another human being. I''m entirely right in calling that involuntary servitude.
    By the way...no one is forcing them to open their business. If they don't want to comply with the laws...then the solution is simple...don't open your doors. Its hardly "involuntary servitude". They CHOOSE to go into business. You cannot choose to do so and then complain that you have to comply with the laws. Sorry.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    By the way...no one is forcing them to open their business. If they don't want to comply with the laws...then the solution is simple...don't open your doors. Its hardly "involuntary servitude". They CHOOSE to go into business. You cannot choose to do so and then complain that you have to comply with the laws. Sorry.
    So the solution for them is to not practice their rights? So when anyone makes a choice and it results in their rights being violated by someone else I can just say they didn't have to make that choice. Interesting

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