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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Breaking a law later found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States and subsequently protected against with additional legislation?
    That has nothing to do with the law at the time or the property rights of the businesses they refused to leave. Lets also remember they borrowed the tactic from labor unions that violated the property rights of their employers by sitting down on the job and refusing to leave or allow any further production from being done. Their whole plan here was to violate the rights of others to fight for something they had no right to in the first place. I'm sorry but I have zero respect for those people in the picture.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol, there are those kids breaking the law again. Guess who owned the property they refused to leave? Hint: It wasn't them. You guys really bought hook line and sinker for the rhetoric sold to you in grade school, didn't you?
    Sorry....what you fail to recognize is that the bigoted business ownder had no right to ask them to leave. Sorry Charlie.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....what you fail to recognize is that the bigoted business ownder had no right to ask them to leave. Sorry Charlie.
    Are you saying private property owners have no right to ask someone to leave?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....what you fail to recognize is that the bigoted business ownder had no right to ask them to leave. Sorry Charlie.
    I'm sorry, but the owner of any property has the right to tell anyone to leave.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sorry, but the owner of any property has the right to tell anyone to leave.
    You know how lefties feel about private property rights...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You know how lefties feel about private property rights...
    There is little doubt that modern liberalism is heavily influenced by socialism and its anti-private property views.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    There is little doubt that modern libertarians are heavily influenced by oligarchic propaganda and often attempt to conceal their racist bigotry behind the claim that an individual can happily refuse to follow societal norms all the while they benefit from a society which expands as more citizens are allowed to fully participate.
    And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Of course....I suspected as much from you. You cry and whine about "links" and then when presented with the facts you simply disregard and spin. I would have been surprised if you had reacted otherwise. I know your ilk all too well. Carry on.
    Had your links demonstrated anything important I would have said so. As it is, they merely confirmed my suspicion that you were making a mountain out of a molehill. You actually made my point.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    So, people are able to act consistent with their conscience....so long as it's legal. In other words, it depends, which is what I said to begin with.

    And your theory tells us exactly nothing about what a religious person would or would not be compelled to do under the law and with the protections of the RFRA and state equivalents.
    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's not too "fined-grained" for me. You make a sweeping statement, I say, no, "it depends" to recognize the nuance, and several posts later you're finally recognizing that of course it DOES depend, and of course the difficulty and UNCERTAINTY is where that line is drawn. The law is intended to move the line towards "conscience" and legal discrimination in some cases - or at least that's what supporters tell us - and in communications with their supporters repeatedly mention protecting religious persons from homosexuals and LGBT. So at least some people believe it will give businesses the right, in some cases, refuse service to gays.

    We don't actually know yet where this will end up, and that's part of the problem and why some groups oppose the law.
    Please see #1090.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Completely off base. Please see #1090.
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