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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No one is forced to sell anything to anyone
    No, but they are forced to either make the sale pay the fine or quit the business. Quitting is the real goal of the homosexual agenda, forcing people who are not compliant out of the market place. That's what they call tolerance but is actually true bigotry

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    No, but they are forced to either make the sale pay the fine or quit the business. Quitting is the real goal of the homosexual agenda, forcing people who are not compliant out of the market place. That's what they call tolerance but is actually true bigotry
    This logic is so stupid I would consider buying it a helmet.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I will refer to bigots in any way i please, usually in the way that will piss them off the most.

    So case in point, if you don't like it, good!
    You highlight one town in Indiana and call them trailer trash without any documentation. No reference to anything bigoted they have done, nothing more than the idea that they look like "shanty towns of westboro caliber fanaticism." I've never seen such hypocritical bigotry before, and it isn't pretty.

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    Christian businesses refusing to serve lgbt people is the first thing to come to mind... But this affects everyone. There are so many religions with their own sects and you could very easily be denied service for your own beliefs, your race, the way you dress, who you associate yourself with... This is rediculous! At least if this bill is signed everyone will get to see which businesses don't deserve any business at all!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    This logic is so stupid I would consider buying it a helmet.
    It only seems stupid because it touches a nerve for some people. The truth tends to be painful at times

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by TiffanyL View Post
    Christian businesses refusing to serve lgbt people is the first thing to come to mind... But this affects everyone. There are so many religions with their own sects and you could very easily be denied service for your own beliefs, your race, the way you dress, who you associate yourself with... This is rediculous! At least if this bill is signed everyone will get to see which businesses don't deserve any business at all!
    And that will be freedom at work

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's probably true. A larger business is more likely to have a more diverse clientele. However, aside from explicit exemptions based on size, I think there are situations where smallness isn't a factor. Take a business that basically sells something and the customer walks off, like a hardware store. People come in, buy what they need, and leave. I doubt they'd be able to institute a dress code that is any more restrictive than what the law allows. It may be possible, but I don't see it (absent any "special case" sort of exemption)
    I agree, the nature of the business would also be a factor. I shop at an independently owned hardware store (one of the few still operating) next to an independent barber. An owner occupied barber being asked to give the skin head a new head shave (intimate contact) may well be given alot of leeway as to what business impact is needed for a ban to be enacted.

    At the same time, I would still bet that size matters, even for hardware store with the diverse customers and non intimate contact. At the end of the day, the Fair Housing Act is very powerful, yet small scale owners are exempt. My guess is that the hardware store owner would be given more leeway than Home Depot regarding bans simply based on his size and being owner occupied.

    Another factor is the local jurisdiction. I live in a red state with an emphasis on property rights. Though this is not a property rights issue, there could well be some bleed over from that concept supporting more leeway to an owner regarding what is, or is not a business impact. Likewise, a blue state with an emphasis on civil rights service obligations may not allow alot of fuzziness in what is, or is not a business impact. (though such bans are not truly a civil rights issue either).
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am disappointed reading the Christian media on this topic. They accuse other media sources of being dishonest about this law and then claim this one is no different than the other 20 RFRAs in the country when this one is by far the broadest ever passed in the country.
    None of those are acceptable either and some go back to 1990, is the point they miss. And let's look at those states, all forward-thinking bastions of civil rights for minorities, like *mississippi* and texas and the biggest lobby group is the notoriously anti gay FRC. Gee, i wonder what their motives are. They won't even accept that gay is an actual identity, so no wonder they try to act like this harms no one! How do you reconcile a humanist faith with hatred of entire minority groups? By creating a dissonance that the target is subhuman. That's what they think of us, all the while bitching that we should not fight back

    The indiana governor responded to the threats of disinvestment by saying he would have vetoed it the law allows any discrimination. I know politicians like to think of themselves as professional liars, but here is another repub prez candidate who could not come up with a remotely plausible lie even with his back against the wall and the fate of his state's economy and reputation in the balance. Not that there is any to be had. The title of the bill itself is a complete mockery unto itself - "religious freedom" is already guaranteed by the constitution and civil rights act

    As much as i love allies who prevent this from happening in other states, i cannot help but detest the midwestern simpletons responsible for this vileness

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The state can, if it chooses, protect itself from the harm with laws prohibiting discrimination.
    Right but that's not what's happening. Rarely if ever is the state the plaintiff claiming grievances over lost commerce.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    No, but they are forced to either make the sale pay the fine or quit the business. Quitting is the real goal of the homosexual agenda, forcing people who are not compliant out of the market place. That's what they call tolerance but is actually true bigotry
    Wrong. They can run a business, make sales and sell to whomever they want without paying any fines if they choose to do so. But if they run their business as a public accommodation, then they have to serve the public. All of the public.
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